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Air Forces has announced that a flying

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disc has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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rigs change the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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Network

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all right welcome Fade to Black I'm your

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old Chevy church today is Wednesday May

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10th our guest tonight is Charles Austin

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Osman uh Charles

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is having some difficulty uh with uh

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with uh his system tonight and I can see

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him here we just didn't get him uh into

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um I'm gonna I'm gonna send it quick I'm

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in the middle of sending an email let's

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ah

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we are going to do a

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this is how

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I can't actually

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do this

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see I can type

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and uh

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it would show at the same time I'm

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pretty good so if if Charles doesn't

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make it in I just sent him an email man

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we'll do an AMA we'll do an impromptu

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AMA tonight which is what we're gonna do

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because The Show Must Go On

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um and we'll do that until Charles makes

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it in if uh Charles doesn't make it in

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we will

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reschedule and figure things out you

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know internet I don't freak out anymore

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I don't freak out I used to freak out

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I I used to freak out I used to go

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ah nah nah not anymore

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um so there you go let's do an impromptu

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AMA well which is ask me anything but

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you want to do one about AI we were

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going to do a show about AI tonight you

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I've got everything right in front of me

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I've got everybody chatting so uh

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all right okay yeah yeah I can see that

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you guys are down for this man I got my

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Led Zeppelin shirt on uh I I want to

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talk AI I've been thinking AI all day

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chat GPT all that stuff and um so yeah

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let's just do an AMA let's bust this out

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I am uh earlier this week I was

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tonight I was thinking uh about how do I

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say this about stuff

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um okay let me back up let me explain

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something uh for for the previous 10

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um up until recently uh the way that I

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would do the show which was like you

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know live radio hey this is Fade to

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Black all right I would do that whole

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thing and all the commercial breaks and

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stuff and the opening of the show as

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everybody knows when I would do uh

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famous birthdays I did that I would do

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uh the fader fact

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uh this day in history and then I would

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I still do the fainter fact I still do

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um and but I don't rant

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the news

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know Walter Cronkite you know Dan Rather

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news and it was an opinion today news is

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opinion

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um uh like my rants right but my rants

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weren't the news the rants were me

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my head out my ideas out and my thoughts

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out on certain subjects and I don't do

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I do that on the amas sort of

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if you ask the right question but the

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rants were a different thing for me and

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I really enjoyed doing them so what I'm

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maybe even a separate podcast

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follow me now I don't want the rant to

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be the part of the news and I don't want

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the rant to be a part of Fade to Black

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I want my thoughts getting out

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so would you enjoy that did you guys

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enjoy the rant okay somebody just says

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um if somebody says uh I'm a threat fill

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the stalker I miss the rants I miss the

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and some of them I wrote out I would

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a couple of words and then go here

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couple of words and then go here in a

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couple of words and and I I enjoyed that

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some of them I wrote out

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and uh and I don't know if you could

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ever tell could you tell that I was

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a good question I well I'm writing in my

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own voice so maybe you didn't and I'm

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missing my see I have a magnetic this is

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this pops on it's a magnetic elbow stand

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um and I enjoyed that

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and and I miss it and I did it uh you

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know over a thousand times

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and I miss that part of what I used to

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um asked Jimmy about Egypt and he will

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rant I was just uh and uh that's uh from

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Mark Mark that's actually very funny

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um I was texting uh earlier today uh

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tearing it up man she's getting ready to

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fly to

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um Aswan and start the uh Nile Cruz oh

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so much fun and uh she just went down on

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yeah she just did that and she she's

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just having the time of her life I miss

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I miss Egypt so much and she's over

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there having a good time yeah I could

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rant about Egypt at any moment so let me

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scroll back and I and I'm I I can see

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um uh some of you are already doing

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things in all caps yeah if you put it in

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all caps I can get to it

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um easier okay so let's see here I just

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saw some all caps question okay here we

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super crazy music geek says

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do you think us humans would forget all

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of our differences if we were attacked

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uh I absolutely think that I know that

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but contact with aliens too I don't

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aliens uh what choice do we have we

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would be United on all fronts

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immediately there would be no issues on

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this planet between us no it would erase

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immediately but this is actually a great

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oh man I love River Moon coffee I'll

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if E.T

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now we know E.T shows up uh uh and and

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is here right now that's that's not my

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point but if ET showed up up and said we

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are here right

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we are here

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uh that would change everything

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but there's a deeper existential

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heavily philosophical

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when you hear the the quote I I forget

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who's attributed uh who this is

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um it escapes me right now

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if we are alone or not in the universe I

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frightening scenario

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if you want to continue the Great Divide

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that is happening right right right now

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and we know it's all there

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what would

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guarantee that until we just you know it

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just ruin this planet which we're close

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to doing is to find out that we are

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if the opposite came in to play

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the opposite we're not alone in the

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now we have a reason to not only take

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respect each other and now realize that

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we are whole we are just one

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and we have these different reasons that

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we think are good enough to fight and

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kill each other we're not earthlings but

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if it was revealed that we are not alone

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oh whoa that's the wake-up call

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we just need that realization to hit us

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right score in the face that we are not

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this planet we have a reason to reach

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out to our brothers and sisters of the

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universe we have a reason

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to become a member of the universe

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right we have a reason we have a goal we

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have something that would bring us

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together if the opposite came along

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the opposite

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some world leader the head of I'm

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strongly stressed the word doofus some

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adult some idiot

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comes along and says no that's it

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and what's the reason to

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let's just party

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I see Charles ostman I see him here

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I see him here okay Charles if you can

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hear me move your camera down we're

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gonna do sound check right now move your

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camera ah he can't hear me okay down a

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little more a little more I'm gonna

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bring you in live okay that's too much

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now I can only see the top of your head

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okay so go the other direction

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go the the other

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okay Charles I'm Gonna Get You perfect

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before I bring you in now let's just

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Center you and I and now I know you can

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hear me the question is will everybody

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else be able to hear you are you ready

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to go just nod your head and I'll bring

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you in right now

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yeah let's do it and let's do it Charles

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Osman how are you sir I'm alive and well

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it's all good

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okay look down at the camera

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okay we're looking down no you're really

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sorry about this my desktop which

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handles all stuff set up the microphone

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and the camera just would cooperate even

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though I plugged them in so this is on

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an emergency laptop instead okay I

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really apologize for that yeah that's

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okay that's okay we got here I am this

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Tech guy and I can't get my tech to work

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you know see you know

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and welcome to the program I was doing

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uh impromptu AMA uh which I I had sent

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you

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um but this is the funny thing as I knew

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that we were having problems I'm like

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okay I'm gonna tell the audience that

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we're having Tech problems with the tech

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Guru

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I know that sounds ridiculous I thought

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you were gonna call on the phone

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they call me on the phone I didn't know

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we're here

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so uh before

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um I get everything completely sideways

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and you know we're doing a sound check

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now but let me uh and we'll we'll dial

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things in I'm just glad that you're here

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I just want uh everybody to know just a

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little bit of your background you have

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been a senior fellow at The Institute

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for Global Futures a Consulting Group

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providing strategic Research Services uh

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to private and government clientele uh

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you're the co-founder of nanosig an

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organization by the way I got email from

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them today an organization uh with

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primary Charter facilitating investment

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in nanotechnology uh chair of the Nano

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electronics and and photonics form and

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senior consultant with the Silicon

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Valley Nano Ventures you have also uh

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just for everybody uh you know he worked

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at Lawrence Berkeley laboratory and Los

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Alamos Laboratory

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tonight we are going to be discussing of

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course artificial intelligence and so I

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got all of that out of the way you ready

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to go let's fire it up okay okay I'm so

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sorry one thing I should mention in the

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bio I don't know one thing I did do

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which is probably relevant for tonight's

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discussion is I was a senior fellow at

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The Institute for Global futures or igf

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is called this was headed by Dr James

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Canton and the reason I make that point

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is because this goes back to the early

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2000s a lot of us our group we spend a

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lot of time and effort plotting Out

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Future trends of which Ai and a life

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merging together was one of the major

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vectors that we plotted on and I can

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look back now in my notes from that time

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and I would say if anything we were

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probably a little bit too conservative

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on different uh Market points that we

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can now look at as data points in this

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process yeah that's it well okay that

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scares the crap out of me out of the

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gate yeah that's that's a good way to go

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um can you tip your computer down just a

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little bit

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I'm on a Dell laptop which does not

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allow me to change the camera angles

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it's okay fold it into the device

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yeah you have to tilt it but I'm like

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I'm using like a piece of stuff here to

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like tilt the computer yeah this is good

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I'm sorry okay no you're great you're

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great okay you're great I wish I look

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just as good as you okay so here's let's

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let's actually start here sure if we

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look back at the last five years of uh

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different intellectuals that have talked

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about this issue I can bring up uh

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people like Sam Harris for instance

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um that have warned us about AI Elon

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Musk uh statements about it of course

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AI is more dangerous to humanity than

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nuclear weapons for instance

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um and then you have others on the other

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side uh very smart people in the science

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community that are saying there's

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nothing to be alarmed about here

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now we're we're five decades away from

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anything close to what everybody is

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talking about so what part of this do we

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need to listen to more no concerns or we

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have

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well you know what this kind of reminds

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me of um

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God damn right I hate this stuff

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um we're just right now back when

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nanotechnology was first getting off the

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ground this was like in the 90s early

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2000s

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and I used to go up to Lawrence lab

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fairly often even after I stopped

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working there for various events and I

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remember when Bill Joy co-founder of sun

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Microsystems you know the spoof and

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letter warning that nanotechnology was

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the end of civilization that we'd have

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Nano boo everywhere and that we've

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disassembled all of our life we turn

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into this like opaque paste or something

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and then about a year later he wrote

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another letter saying oops I was wrong

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I'm sorry forgive me for being a little

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too overly concerned with this and this

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is Bill Joy I mean a very very smart guy

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and yet considering what was being

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discussed about nanotechnology at the

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time I could sort of see why this kind

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of panic level would come up this was

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back when the book uh praying came out

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which is a novel about these predatory

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nanites and loose and there are other

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movies that came out sort of along the

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same lines so the public was sort of

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geared up to expect the worst from

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nanotechnology which at first notice

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ever happened so I see AI sort of in the

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same context but a little bit different

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by the way have you ever seen the movie

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Her

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I have I have okay hey Charles can you

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turn down the speakers

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yeah I have to go in the other room to

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do this I'm sorry about this okay

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yeah go turn down the speakers and uh

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we'll fix it everybody it's at man relax

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you guys are this audience is so spoiled

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you guys are completely spoiled perfect

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audio every night perfect that Imaging

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and perfect these guys are completely

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relax

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am I freaking out do I look like I'm

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freaked out I love Charles he's a

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professional and I gotta go in the other

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room and and see it's already fixed I

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can already tell okay here we are yeah

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is that better yeah it's perfect okay

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excellent it's all good

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so

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uh to to reset what part of this now

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that the echo's gone oh that's just so

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tasty

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and uh now we've got to computer audio

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um and you can mute that too as well

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um but what part of this

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um you brought up the movie Her

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um and

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I think that's an interesting thing uh

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to to bring up

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um is it is it something that you know

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with chat GPT in this push

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who is who is regulating who is sitting

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in in a position

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to monitor uh the corporations and the

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countries around the world racing uh for

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for AI

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well this is one of the things I've come

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find out we're talking about regulations

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and Regulatory confinement that sort of

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thing which I think is a non-issue

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non-sequitur because even if even if

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politicians decide they had to do

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something to placate the voting public

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because it was a problem is going to

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happen the reality is it's going to be

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everywhere all over the world it's

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ubiquitous I mean how are you going to

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go to China for instance to obey U.S

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dictated regulatory processes I just

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don't see it happening I mean for me the

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toothpaste is already out of the two

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it's not going back in So as I would

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often say Evolution tends to favor the

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most adaptive not the fittest but the

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most adaptive and as I see it this is

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like a natural occurring next stage of

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our evolutionary process

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well uh evolutionary as humans or

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evolutionary as technology well this is

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kind of where it's interesting because

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we're right at the very edge I have a

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bunch of these charts on my website my

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friend wants to visit there we're right

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at the very edge of this sort of major

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transitional shifts of sorts people talk

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about the term transhuman which may be

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appropriate here but yes we are going

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into a kind of a co-evolutionary

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symbiosis where the separation between

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the organic and the non-organic or the

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living versus the non-living however

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that becomes ever more diffuse and at

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some point irrelevant

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the

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definitions here this is something that

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I uh spend way too much time researching

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I think it's a it's such an important

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subject but most people don't understand

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the different levels of AI and and and

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and I think that most people fear some

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sentient conscious you know nanobot

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thing that is gonna you know just take

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over the world there's that of course

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and I would be but there's artificial

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general intelligence that level that AGI

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artificial general intelligence and

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we're not there yet which is you know

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the average

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human's capacity of of doing stuff of

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thinking

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um and so getting to AGI

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the country that achieves that there is

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no second place is there right is that

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and that isn't some sentient content

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we're just talking about AGI is is that

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something really to be uh concerned

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well I see it as a spectrum for a couple

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of things to point out first of all if

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synthetic sentients does become manifest

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we may not see it when it happens

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we may not recognize it in fact that's

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quite likely I see that being more

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likely to process than not uh in other

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words another way to look at this

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meeting

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in old days Days of your there's what's

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called weak AI which moves more or less

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a string of operands you know if this

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happens then do this this gets said then

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do that right that's not what's

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happening now now of course relying on

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neural networks which are self-training

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self-adaping and there's another area

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called evolutionary competing and I used

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to belong to the echo but this is the

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annual event that was centered on

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evolutionary and genetic Computing and

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what this is is computer mechanisms

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which can design their own software

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design Hardware you can feed it a series

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of limitations as it were and it'll

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genetically contrive its own solution to

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this and I can go into that little more

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if you want but similarly earlier more

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fluidic neural networks were actually

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derived from genetic Computing evolving

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the best neural net type structure to

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suit a particular application or

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interest now of course this has gone far

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beyond that I would tend to look at AI

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more like artificial life actually the

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the closest thing we're going to get is

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as far as know is trying to mimic what

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actually happens in our organic neurons

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and just like in a human brain there's

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different sections which are specialized

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for different purposes you have the same

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thing going on with different types of

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AI and in other words people think of AI

558
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,500
they think of like Siri or I don't know

559
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,600
some other talking bot under a system or

560
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:53,760
their phone that's kind of like a low

561
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:57,240
level front end interface if you go to

562
00:28:01,610 --> 00:28:00,299
what could be a much larger resource on

563
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,620
the cloud in fact I'm sure this is

564
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,360
what's going to happen we see AI

565
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,980
everywhere now but most people don't see

566
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,440
it per se because it's sort of hidden in

567
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,720
the background Financial systems all

568
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,039
types of large-scale management

569
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,500
processes Etc are all relying on AI

570
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,840
there's no very few humans are actually

571
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,640
left in the process especially things

572
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,080
like trading you know stock trading Etc

573
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,600
this is all handled by machines so we're

574
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,000
just getting trained I guess to become

575
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,700
more used to the idea the reason I'm

576
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:29,340
proud of her was because this is a

577
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:31,740
situation where you had AI online in the

578
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:34,919
cloud with emotional cognition that is a

579
00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:37,740
good sense what a person was feeling and

580
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,779
respond importantly and become like your

581
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:41,460
personal friend there's actually a

582
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,039
couple of already existing apps like

583
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,320
this where you can build your own avatar

584
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,779
she or he can be whatever you want to be

585
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,580
and you develop a relationship fact

586
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,039
there is a case not too long ago where a

587
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,440
guy has Avatar taken away because he

588
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,419
failed the payers that whatever happened

589
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,580
and he got heartbroken to me he had to

590
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:01,860
go to therapist because his lovely

591
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:04,140
Avatar girlfriend wasn't there anymore I

592
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:05,880
mean this is a real thing so we're

593
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,620
already seeing the movie Her sort of

594
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,840
coming to life and I use the word life

595
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:12,000
rather carefully here so in other words

596
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:14,220
in the world of strong AI which is not

597
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:16,020
being called General AI that's what

598
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,039
you're going to see you're going to see

599
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:19,620
like more like a living system as

600
00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:22,440
opposed to a pre-programmed template for

601
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:25,380
different kinds of responses well okay

602
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,120
so like in the movie her and I like that

603
00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:32,580
because you brought it up because

604
00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:36,140
here's the crazy part

605
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:40,460
would uh would an AI that becomes

606
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:43,260
synthetically sentient

607
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:49,380
would it know that it wasn't real

608
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:50,940
or

609
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,760
might be right right different than our

610
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:58,559
reality we're real because we can look

611
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:00,120
at ourselves and say ah here's my answer

612
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:02,580
by we can walk around look at things and

613
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:04,620
touch things okay from the eyes are

614
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:05,820
effective

615
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,580
that AI has access to the entire planet

616
00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:11,039
virtually it can go anywhere it wants on

617
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:13,020
the internet and probe around absorb

618
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:15,000
fantastic amounts of information that we

619
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,159
can never hope to absorb that's reality

620
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,919
for it and maybe a better reality as far

621
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,600
as that's concerned I'm not sure we can

622
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:23,760
actually evaluate a judgment on that

623
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,120
well could okay could a I be

624
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:32,720
uh developed

625
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:36,360
but only have access to certain

626
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:40,260
databases but not the internet is that a

627
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,020
safer way to go well yes and no I'm

628
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:45,600
sorry these sort of cryptic answers but

629
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,460
no all these answers are also enroll in

630
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,960
a spectrum as opposed to an absolute

631
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,600
binary yes or no yeah and so if the io

632
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,799
was was

633
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,960
um compelled enough to do this you would

634
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:56,340
find a way to get around it it wouldn't

635
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:58,919
use a workaround now one other thing to

636
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:01,260
sort of throw into the salad bowl here

637
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,179
Quantum Computing is already happening

638
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,299
now why would I mention viewing the

639
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:08,100
reason is that Quantum Computing can

640
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,299
process

641
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:11,760
enormous amounts of data and do

642
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,120
fundamental mathematic calculations on a

643
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,220
vast scale that no standard traditional

644
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,260
computer could ever hope to do is you

645
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:21,419
can look at like 30 seconds or the

646
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:24,059
computation in a quantum computer being

647
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,940
equal to say three thousand years on a

648
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:28,799
super computer that sort of thing right

649
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:30,779
right yeah and so now if you have AIS

650
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,020
out there who are looking for a resource

651
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:36,480
to solve a problem like I can't get into

652
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:38,580
this particular site or something all I

653
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:41,580
have to do is go to the QC site a node

654
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,860
on the cloud and say solve this and it

655
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:46,080
would within seconds crack the system

656
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,899
open and there you are I mean so to me

657
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,120
this is kind of almost erosion really

658
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:52,860
that's just my opinion that's how I see

659
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:53,940
it

660
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:57,000
oh yeah okay but if

661
00:32:02,810 --> 00:32:00,899
um I I remember Neil deGrasse Tyson uh

662
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:02,820
said and now look he's not the most

663
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:05,100
intelligent guy in the world in fact far

664
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:08,100
from it but once in a while he'll

665
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,159
release some gem some gem will come out

666
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:13,200
of his mouth and he manages to pull it

667
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:16,440
off and he said this and I believe he's

668
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,640
right look develop the computer but you

669
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:22,559
can always unplug it

670
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,960
right

671
00:32:29,230 --> 00:32:26,640
well no not really

672
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:29,240
um I know I'm sorry I'm sorry

673
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:31,980
once it becomes distributed it's going

674
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:34,500
to be in a lot of places at once uh this

675
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,120
this is a reality people really have to

676
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,460
kind of get connected to it's so like

677
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,039
Quantum Dynamics or quantum mechanics on

678
00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:43,679
a virtual platform in other words it's

679
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:45,659
not a single box plugged into a wall

680
00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:47,880
socket it's really a series of nodes

681
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:49,620
which can be scattered all over the

682
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,740
planet so what exactly do you unplug and

683
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:54,080
when

684
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:55,980
so

685
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,340
um uh are there okay now let's get into

686
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:02,240
the ethics first off

687
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:08,039
is there some kind of judge and jury

688
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,940
some tribunal is there some type of

689
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,159
commissioning body

690
00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:16,620
sitting above all of this except for

691
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:18,980
China but but

692
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:22,919
kind of are there any Hall monitors here

693
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,559
or is everybody free on this playground

694
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:28,440
well actually it's been made that point

695
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:30,120
because I used to I still do actually I

696
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:30,899
belonged to something called the

697
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:33,299
Millennium Project headed by Jerry Glenn

698
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:35,340
well well-known group and we do a lot of

699
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,899
stuff but the basic thing is they

700
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,240
publish a book over here called state of

701
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,580
the future for the next year and my

702
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,559
input to that had to do with AI and now

703
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,899
technology those are my two members and

704
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,700
the point I was hoping to make and well

705
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,799
continue to make is that

706
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,720
part of our mission was to create what

707
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:53,519
you're talking about a kind of a science

708
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:55,860
Advisory board that will look at the

709
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:58,019
potential ethical boundaries if you will

710
00:34:01,549 --> 00:34:00,059
of things that sort of Applied into a

711
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,559
context

712
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,299
um sadly as I wrote up in my own report

713
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,700
on this and other people tend to agree I

714
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,159
don't see any plausible way to actually

715
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:11,040
enforce that kind of a policy in other

716
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:13,260
words you could try I mean would

717
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,940
politicians here with Congress or

718
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:17,159
somebody determine that okay this group

719
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:18,599
over here Millennium Project or whoever

720
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:21,480
they're not going to be the advisors to

721
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:23,099
dictate what kind of protocols we should

722
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:24,240
establish

723
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:26,280
would that actually work no not really

724
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,919
because as I see it AI is a Competitive

725
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:29,760
Edge

726
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:32,460
whoever is out there trying to compete

727
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,659
in the business world

728
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,879
to have a better access to whatever

729
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:37,500
computational resource is going to suit

730
00:35:08,710 --> 00:34:39,060
their interest of course they're going

731
00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:11,510
just to make a point so people are

732
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,839
complaining oh my gosh this is going to

733
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:15,000
undermine education it's going to tear

734
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,820
the Fuller out for under the learning

735
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,400
process I would say not exactly I

736
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:21,839
remember when the calculator first came

737
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:24,180
out people I look I'm a little bit to

738
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:25,980
have remember using a slide rule signing

739
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:28,140
on this how far back I know and people

740
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:29,880
were panicking oh my gosh we have these

741
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,099
fancy new calculators kids are going to

742
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,280
lose how to do this kind of math by hand

743
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,960
you know they're going to lose track of

744
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,000
what the math actually is doing quite

745
00:35:43,329 --> 00:35:40,560
the opposite the calculator has actually

746
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:43,339
enhance the process and allowed for more

747
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:45,420
elaborate types of mathematical

748
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,700
processes to be done without having to

749
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,440
get bogged down with a sort of medial

750
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:52,560
kinds of tasks that math usually gets

751
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:53,220
into

752
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:58,560
AI taking over writing papers or

753
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,119
producing content you can producing art

754
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,160
for that matter is that the end of the

755
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:04,320
end not exactly I see it more like a

756
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:07,560
beginning of a next phase of like I said

757
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,440
man it's sort of evolutionary process I

758
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:12,480
see humans more into concus of managing

759
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,540
their AI resources to suit some other

760
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:18,000
purpose rather than replacing their

761
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,820
existence as I think that could be

762
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:23,520
argued of course but that's how I see it

763
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:27,180
I watched a video you might have seen

764
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:30,660
this or or one like it for sure watched

765
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:33,000
a video last week

766
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,500
and and I took the time I I knew that

767
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,359
this was going to kind of freak me out

768
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:41,160
and I knew that you were coming on the

769
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:43,380
show too as well but I see this video

770
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,940
and this this author says

771
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:49,440
I'm going to show you how I'm going to

772
00:36:57,490 --> 00:36:52,140
write my next book

773
00:37:02,510 --> 00:36:57,500
any freaking opens up chat GPT okay

774
00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:02,520
a program that runs on chat okay all

775
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,500
right

776
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:06,320
and he literally

777
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:10,880
plugs in the title of the book

778
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:14,160
the subject of the book

779
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:18,180
and his name oh I think he there was a

780
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,589
one hour

781
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:25,920
books done

782
00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:31,020
now what do we in that area that's that

783
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:33,800
wasn't written by that author

784
00:37:39,849 --> 00:37:38,760
and that but the book could be presented

785
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:39,859
to Amazon

786
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,079
and and and sold on Amazon with that

787
00:37:48,609 --> 00:37:45,839
author's name on it and technically that

788
00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:48,619
could be done all the time by everybody

789
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:51,380
and I don't know if that's evolutionary

790
00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:56,220
I think that's fraud right well you know

791
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:58,619
I swear so a little bit of our

792
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:01,500
background in 1996 I was one of the

793
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:02,760
participants in what was called the

794
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:04,500
virtual humans conference this was sort

795
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:06,300
of a mixture between Ai and virtual

796
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,480
reality and at the time the legal

797
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,160
questions I was asking other folks are

798
00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:13,380
sort of chiming in the same way what's

799
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:15,540
the legal definition of who owns the

800
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:18,300
whatever it is is it the owner of the

801
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,200
computer

802
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:21,540
is it the person that created the

803
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,820
software is it a Consortium of people

804
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:25,740
that represents the best interest of the

805
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,619
AI whatever it's doing this is totally

806
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,839
unexplored territory and then a few

807
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,220
years later I was part of What's called

808
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:34,560
the nitick and now the queue that's the

809
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,980
Nano info bio cognitive Tech conferences

810
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:40,320
and that annual event and here you have

811
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,579
some of the leading people on the planet

812
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,320
all sort of getting together determine

813
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,300
what policy should be in the near future

814
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:47,339
at the time my input to this of course

815
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:49,260
was nanotechnology but I also had a bit

816
00:38:53,810 --> 00:38:52,140
of a life and AI in there and I Rose the

817
00:38:55,930 --> 00:38:53,820
same questions again I said what's the

818
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:55,940
chain of command what's the ownership

819
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,500
mechanisms for this and nobody really

820
00:39:01,790 --> 00:39:00,000
had an answer but it was still

821
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:01,800
theoretical then but I think we're

822
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:04,020
entering into it now in fact there's a

823
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:06,839
film called the Congress uh which starts

824
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:09,060
out with this actress that's sort of in

825
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:11,460
her letter days she gets scanned in and

826
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,900
then she becomes part of this virtual

827
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:14,700
world whereas all kinds of people and

828
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:16,680
they're doing their virtual thing it

829
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:17,940
turns out at the end of the movie a

830
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:19,140
little bit of

831
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:20,760
be aware

832
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,740
um it's all real people what they have

833
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,720
on these headsets and they're completely

834
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,700
immersed in this throw like zombie zones

835
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,079
and they're immersion is very horrible

836
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,520
they could be somebody else other than

837
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,440
who they really are and this was kind of

838
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,560
a glimpse of yet another aspect of this

839
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:36,780
idea and again the question comes up

840
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,300
where is sovereignty in this is it the

841
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:41,040
person that is projecting their virtual

842
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,380
self in this realm or is it belong to

843
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:45,839
somebody else or some combination if you

844
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,700
produce a film let's say and it has

845
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:49,619
virtual actors and actresses which is

846
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,780
very much coming up

847
00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:54,480
um who owns that is it the studio is it

848
00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:56,820
the maker of the software I mean I'm

849
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:59,099
sure there's going to be legal arguments

850
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,240
about this sort of thing but we're

851
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:01,440
definitely stepping into a different

852
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,960
kind of territory where ownership and

853
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,760
change the command and sovereignty are

854
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:06,960
going to have very different meanings

855
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:09,780
than what did you know yeah okay

856
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:11,820
um that was great except you didn't

857
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,300
answer the question okay okay

858
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,760
and I agree with all well I'll answer

859
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:19,619
the Movie question

860
00:40:26,089 --> 00:40:23,339
if a movie studio produces a movie with

861
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,099
AI actors and actresses the movie studio

862
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,680
owns it that's it I think are you

863
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:31,440
clicking a pen what is that

864
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:34,260
okay all right maybe you are maybe that

865
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:35,640
was weird I'm getting something in my

866
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:39,000
headphones the movie studio if they if

867
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:42,660
they create it they produce it and and

868
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:45,420
and it's out there and it's all a i

869
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:47,579
generated so that's a movie studio

870
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:51,660
product what I am saying and and we

871
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,300
would know as viewers no matter how

872
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:57,180
excellent it is we would know what we're

873
00:41:02,410 --> 00:41:00,359
watching but in the case of

874
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:02,420
chat GPT

875
00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:06,480
writing a book for you in 60 minutes and

876
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:09,560
your name is on it as the author right

877
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:13,859
now we are in a foggy area in that

878
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,619
I didn't write the book that happens all

879
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:18,000
the time look in today's world you have

880
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:20,520
ghost writers the resilience zillions of

881
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,579
them uh when I was at UC Berkeley this

882
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:26,160
goes back years ago there were post-docs

883
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:29,820
who made their living by writing thesis

884
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:32,460
for paying students I mean this is how

885
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:34,020
they a lot of people actually paid their

886
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:36,060
rent and sort of got by if they couldn't

887
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:37,500
get a job in their particular field of

888
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,780
Interest this is what they did so this

889
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:41,160
is just another extension of that

890
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:43,020
Concept in other words but there was a

891
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,160
time where it was called a cat and mouse

892
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:46,200
or the professors would have to sort of

893
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,460
sift through the papers that were being

894
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:49,440
turned in just easier plagiarized or

895
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,820
written by somebody else some people

896
00:41:55,150 --> 00:41:52,260
write in the papers thinking ever more

897
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,160
clever as sort of diffusing their uh

898
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,540
just enough so I wouldn't be seen as

899
00:42:02,089 --> 00:41:59,520
plagiarism you'll see the same thing

900
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:02,099
with AI exactly I don't know machine as

901
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:03,240
opposed to that person doing that work

902
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,700
for them right right and I I don't think

903
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,220
that's uh I don't think if chat cheat PT

904
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,839
is writing the book for you I don't

905
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,220
think that's plagiarism but it's

906
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:13,380
certainly doing the labor

907
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:17,220
so should the book title

908
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:18,839
um should there be a disclaimer on the

909
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:21,060
book that this was written by chat GPT

910
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,820
not the not the author yeah yeah no I

911
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:25,380
see what you can so from an ethical

912
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:26,820
point of view I would say yes of course

913
00:42:31,150 --> 00:42:29,460
you should say this was AI maybe the AIO

914
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,160
was trained by the author in Washington

915
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,960
Stewart in that direction but yeah I

916
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,160
think there should be some kind of

917
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:37,560
shared ownership of whatever the thing

918
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:39,900
was that's being sold however however

919
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:42,780
unless there's some kind of Legally uh

920
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:45,720
binding agreement rules that determine

921
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:46,440
that

922
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:49,079
I it's gonna be up to the actual author

923
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:50,579
and it may or may not be the case I mean

924
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,260
this is going to be right it's a phrase

925
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:55,140
out you have to be sorted out

926
00:43:02,690 --> 00:42:59,579
I mean if I if I wrote a book

927
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,700
me Jimmy church I wrote a book and it

928
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,339
was published this year

929
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:08,640
everybody would know and and chat cheap

930
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,339
wrote it everybody would know that it

931
00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:13,980
wasn't me if my name was on it they know

932
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:15,780
that I'm lazy that I don't have the

933
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,780
patience I'm not smart enough that

934
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:20,880
there's no way that this could be

935
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:24,119
written but but if my name is on the

936
00:43:32,270 --> 00:43:27,720
cover and and it's not plagiarized right

937
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:32,280
and chat GPT owned it we're getting into

938
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:35,880
a real ethics issue here where I think

939
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:39,300
that there should be some legislation

940
00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:42,839
um in place so people know that it's not

941
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:46,020
everybody has ghost riders we know this

942
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,300
Charles we know the Cisco's writers for

943
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:49,680
everything who writes their own books

944
00:43:54,589 --> 00:43:52,500
okay but at least we know the process

945
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:54,599
there's a Ghostwriter being paid and

946
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:56,339
they're they're actually doing the work

947
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,359
but it's another ethics situation when

948
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,220
chat EBT or another artificial

949
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:04,920
intelligence program is doing the work

950
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,319
for you and you don't admit it so this

951
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,180
reminds me of when Hillary Clinton reads

952
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:11,040
her book you remember a few years ago it

953
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:13,500
was a big bestseller thick book the

954
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,579
whole thing was goes right she didn't

955
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:16,020
write a single word in there and you

956
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:17,819
know she sold it off as her author's

957
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,980
book this is very common but I bring up

958
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:21,480
that particular one because it's such a

959
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:24,180
big production and so much Felicity

960
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:25,980
around it you know oh my gosh Hillary

961
00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:29,400
publish another book but as I said many

962
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:31,380
books that are out there if you dig deep

963
00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:33,660
enough into how they were created either

964
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,839
entirely or a large percentage written

965
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,640
by ghost writers and one thing to say

966
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:41,040
about chat TBT you do still have to kind

967
00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:43,500
of train it a little bit for instance in

968
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:45,560
the article that I used it to write my

969
00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:48,660
piece on AI it kept coming back this

970
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,579
really kind of Pollyanna sort of

971
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,560
corporate speak about the wonders of AI

972
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:54,839
is this beautiful new thing for for

973
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,579
changing Humanity in this better

974
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,740
Direction and all this kind of stuff and

975
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:00,839
I summarized the article the same that's

976
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:03,720
what GPT did this is what I say and then

977
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,839
my version was a little more I wouldn't

978
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,880
say caustic but a little more grounded

979
00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:10,740
in reality saying is it mixed bag

980
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:11,819
because some pluses and here's some

981
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,859
minuses froze versus cons that kind of

982
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:15,780
thing but I was kind of fascinated by

983
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:18,420
the fact that the chat was predetermined

984
00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:21,900
to put a as positive spin on AI as

985
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:23,579
possible I found that part of it kind of

986
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,819
interesting so there are biases that one

987
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,220
would have to be aware of and understand

988
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:31,800
how to steer that bias to suit whatever

989
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:33,480
they're trying to convey

990
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:37,020
there's a there's a concept here that I

991
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:40,020
think most need to understand uh when it

992
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:43,740
comes to the reason why uh the race to

993
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:46,380
artificial general intelligence is so

994
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:49,140
important and and how it could actually

995
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:53,520
benefit humanity and it's this if you're

996
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,460
a pharmaceutical company a medical

997
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,560
company and you're trying to cure a

998
00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:00,660
disease or you're trying to come up with

999
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,960
a medication that is very complex and

1000
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:05,760
what you have to and the reason why it

1001
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,599
takes so long to do is because you have

1002
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:12,119
a team of doctors that have to read

1003
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:16,380
write and research constantly and that

1004
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,839
takes time you still have to put

1005
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,640
eyeballs on stuff used to have to

1006
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:22,079
calculate you still have to think you

1007
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:23,579
still have to test you still have to go

1008
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:26,839
to the line you know but if you had

1009
00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:31,440
artificial general intelligence and you

1010
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:35,480
apply that across a bank of computers

1011
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:38,460
and now you have

1012
00:46:44,650 --> 00:46:42,300
um a hundred or a thousand Minds working

1013
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:44,660
on the same issue

1014
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:47,839
instead of it taking a couple of years

1015
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:52,319
it would take a few seconds well like a

1016
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,700
week or something like this so let me

1017
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,560
explain something called encyclical

1018
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,880
biology which is exactly what you're

1019
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,560
talking about in silica biology means

1020
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,960
let me feeling some type of a complex

1021
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,839
organism or organism system and in the

1022
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:05,760
early days

1023
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,579
try to model say a part of a cell just a

1024
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,680
mitochondria for instance that would

1025
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,420
take months

1026
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:14,160
straining a super computer because

1027
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:16,200
absolute Mass capacity to run that

1028
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,579
simulation

1029
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,980
now you could actually not just run a

1030
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,079
simulation on a cell you can run a

1031
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,240
simulation on an entire cell structure

1032
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,579
organ entire organism

1033
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,619
and that's a radical difference and so

1034
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,300
one thing I wanted to toss out since you

1035
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:32,160
brought it up what I see around the

1036
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,940
corner is DNA becoming your new social

1037
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:38,400
security number your ID is an order the

1038
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:40,500
reason I make that point is because the

1039
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,260
background inventor first releases even

1040
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,599
genome it was like ten thousand dollars

1041
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:47,760
to get your genome decoded they're

1042
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:49,800
dropped for like a thousand dollars then

1043
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,180
it dropped you like a hundred dollars

1044
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,280
nowadays it's around the ten dollar Mark

1045
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:55,440
to get your DNA decoded it's going to

1046
00:48:02,329 --> 00:47:58,680
become even less so that means that the

1047
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,339
cost of issuing your new ID based on DNA

1048
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:04,020
is going to become a de facto

1049
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,359
requirement at some point now why do I

1050
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,520
make this point because at the same time

1051
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,040
if you have Quantum Computing being able

1052
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,560
to recognize astonishing large amounts

1053
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,720
of data at the same time specifically if

1054
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:17,220
you look for patterns and that's exactly

1055
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:18,420
what genetic engineering is all about

1056
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:19,560
we're looking for patterns look for

1057
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,540
genetic markers that kind of thing then

1058
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:23,700
yes you could actually have a scenario

1059
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,640
or at Birth the system already kind of

1060
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:29,280
knows all of your genetic traits where

1061
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:31,260
you might have particular diseases or or

1062
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,480
shortcomings as it were that could be

1063
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,700
treated or cured in some way I think

1064
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:36,960
this is absolutely what's coming around

1065
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:39,300
the corn and because of the cost of

1066
00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:40,380
Health Care

1067
00:48:44,329 --> 00:48:42,359
we're living in an era right now still

1068
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:44,339
where a lot of people can still be

1069
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,200
pretty clumsy with their health they can

1070
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:48,900
overeaten become obese drink and smoke

1071
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,040
and all this kind of stuff and then they

1072
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,319
wander into the health system help I've

1073
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,420
got you know scores of the liver or I

1074
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,220
can't breathe or whatever because of

1075
00:49:00,290 --> 00:48:58,500
their own you know bad choices I think

1076
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,300
that's going to start fading away as the

1077
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,680
cost of healthcare becomes ever more

1078
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:03,839
burdensome and more people begin to

1079
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:06,119
realize wait a minute where people take

1080
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,520
responsibility for their own actions how

1081
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:10,800
who they are as a person so how would

1082
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:12,660
this be introduced well here's one way

1083
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,060
as a cost saving measure let's say

1084
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:16,800
you're a mother about to give birth

1085
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,660
you're going to the hospital and they

1086
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:20,160
offer you hey look we can give you a

1087
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,420
great discount

1088
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:23,520
tax breaks all that kind of stuff if you

1089
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,520
agree to have your DNA become part of

1090
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,280
the new databases of work and your

1091
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,800
baby's DNA I think a lot of people would

1092
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,180
voluntarily kind of go for this

1093
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,339
especially as Things become ever more

1094
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,160
economically difficult this would be the

1095
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:41,040
Gateway that would eventually expand to

1096
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:42,839
the point where it could become the new

1097
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:44,099
ID system

1098
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,859
at the same time preemptively recognize

1099
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:49,140
different types of Health Trace as they

1100
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:51,240
occur however this is where it gets kind

1101
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:53,640
of scary if you will there's a lot of

1102
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,140
genetic markers that can now be

1103
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,960
correlated with behavior with psychology

1104
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,700
in fact as a journal I subscribed it

1105
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,960
called the Journal of molecular

1106
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:03,119
psychology it's very interesting there

1107
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,500
are dozens of papers published every

1108
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,140
month based on exactly this what kind of

1109
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,480
behaviors are linked to what genetic

1110
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:11,940
factor with these chemistries involved

1111
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:13,800
makes this type of you know are you

1112
00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:16,740
going to be a narcissist or have I don't

1113
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:19,740
know other common failure points as a

1114
00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:22,140
person you know I you know you name a

1115
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,599
psychological Malay is there going to be

1116
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,160
a genetic marker for that and the answer

1117
00:50:31,809 --> 00:50:29,160
is probably us okay so going back a few

1118
00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:31,819
years NIH actually proposed a program

1119
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,619
called the crime Gene I'm not going to

1120
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:36,960
look it up it's actual name for it and

1121
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:38,579
they wanted to preemptively determine

1122
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:40,220
that some people were going to be

1123
00:50:44,589 --> 00:50:42,839
pre-deposed predisposed to being

1124
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:44,599
criminal types

1125
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:47,099
their value human life would be very low

1126
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,500
things like robbery and committing other

1127
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,640
kinds of violent crimes would be

1128
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:52,380
considered normal in their world as it

1129
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,119
were

1130
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:55,859
to lean that way could that be

1131
00:51:01,089 --> 00:50:58,440
identified genetically now for obvious

1132
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:01,099
reasons this was somewhat controversial

1133
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,900
especially because it became apparent

1134
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:05,040
and I know this is going to get really

1135
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,099
tricky it seemed that some racial or

1136
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:10,640
ethnic groups were a little more

1137
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:13,140
want to glean that direction than other

1138
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,400
groups when they're looking at this

1139
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:16,619
genetic makeup so people very quickly

1140
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:18,660
backed off and said oh we shouldn't

1141
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:21,000
probably do this however it's not that

1142
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,380
it was turned off it was just like they

1143
00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:24,180
renamed it to other they've broken them

1144
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:25,859
to other different groups but the same

1145
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:27,780
process is still occurring there there

1146
00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:30,599
really is and I understand why I don't

1147
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:32,760
understand it's a bad thing I'm just

1148
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,920
questioning how it might be uh mandated

1149
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:36,960
though this is where ethics becomes kind

1150
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,540
of a question mark so in other words if

1151
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,640
your future let's say you're having a

1152
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,920
baby soon with your wife and whatever

1153
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:46,079
would that child be growing up in a

1154
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,839
world where the quality of their DNA

1155
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:50,520
became the de facto mechanism that

1156
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:52,500
determined what their life would become

1157
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:54,780
like I mean you know there were a number

1158
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,140
of movies made on this case 46 was one

1159
00:52:02,650 --> 00:52:01,020
um people have thought about this you

1160
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,660
know it's theoretical concept for years

1161
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,040
but we're kind of we can see it on the

1162
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:07,500
horizon now not quite there yet but it's

1163
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,520
kind of like when you're driving through

1164
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,800
the desert and you can see the glow of

1165
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:12,000
Las Vegas on the horizon where you're

1166
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,140
not quite there with the buildings and

1167
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,839
everything so we can see the glow give

1168
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:17,760
it another 10 or 12 years I could see

1169
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,099
well this very much becomes a new

1170
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:22,079
immersional reality

1171
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,760
and and I think all of that it's we're

1172
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:29,280
kind of there now we're not we're not

1173
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,619
quite there yet but we're understanding

1174
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:33,420
more and more about DNA and you're right

1175
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,880
about the mapping and and and how

1176
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:37,800
inexpensive it is to do that and those

1177
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:41,160
genetic markers uh but probably in 10 or

1178
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:43,319
15 years would determine your credit

1179
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,260
rating but

1180
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:49,680
um what is scarier than that I pointed

1181
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,280
out the pharmaceutical industry but AGI

1182
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:56,520
a team of AGI the reason another reason

1183
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:00,300
why every country would love to be at

1184
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:04,800
the okay we need a new tank

1185
00:53:12,609 --> 00:53:09,119
we need a better nuclear bomb we need a

1186
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:12,619
a new ship of course obviously right and

1187
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,260
instead of Lockheed Martin is spending

1188
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:18,480
the next two years with a thousand

1189
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,040
designers

1190
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:22,440
um you have it before you wake up in the

1191
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:25,380
morning and you are able to then assign

1192
00:53:31,329 --> 00:53:28,200
that to a factory and go in production

1193
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:31,339
by the next afternoon

1194
00:53:38,089 --> 00:53:33,720
that's the advantage that everybody

1195
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:38,099
wants where you're doing 5 000 years of

1196
00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:42,180
work in 5 000 seconds and so I have an

1197
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,040
example for you this goes back a number

1198
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:46,319
of years this is like early 2000s almost

1199
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:48,420
two decades about 15 years ago actually

1200
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:51,059
I was at JPL a friend of mine was doing

1201
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:52,980
a presentation there and I was invited

1202
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,800
to talk about nanotechnology and that

1203
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,079
kind of thing however this was at the

1204
00:54:02,569 --> 00:54:00,240
evolvable hardware conference that was

1205
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:02,579
the actual name of it so when I went

1206
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,780
there they showed me all kinds of

1207
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:04,800
different things they were working on

1208
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,020
one of which was an antenna they were

1209
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:09,119
designing for a very specialized kind of

1210
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:11,640
deep space frog device

1211
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:14,460
the humans sat down set up a month

1212
00:54:17,809 --> 00:54:16,260
design Nintendo design by the way is a

1213
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:17,819
very tricky art form it's a mixture of

1214
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,700
physics and a lot of math and a bit of

1215
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,680
magic maybe but it's a very difficult

1216
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,440
challenging sort of field to Endeavor in

1217
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:27,599
but the humans after about a month or so

1218
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:28,740
they designed this beautiful little

1219
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,839
Christmas tree orthional type of antenna

1220
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,880
said okay this works pretty well

1221
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:35,599
The evolutionary Computing platform

1222
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,339
designed something in a few hours it

1223
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,619
looked like a bird nest but guess what

1224
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:42,900
the bird nest worked better

1225
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:44,700
than the orthogonal Christmas tree the

1226
00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:45,720
humans made

1227
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:48,599
that was quite a few years ago

1228
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:51,420
um go fast forward there are people

1229
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:54,359
using evolvable systems to evolve all

1230
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,040
kinds of stuff including better smart

1231
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:58,079
bombs better buildings better missiles

1232
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,400
you know you name it

1233
00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:01,500
this is not going away this is just how

1234
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:03,480
it's going to be and we're sort of

1235
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:05,460
seeing this somewhat in Ukraine in a

1236
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:07,980
sense that we're watching drones become

1237
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:10,440
the new Battlefront entity that sort of

1238
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:13,079
influx damage upon the enemies that were

1239
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:16,260
that's just a very brief step away

1240
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:19,859
from AI controlling drones and drone

1241
00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:22,200
like things automated machinery and the

1242
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:24,059
next step of course is for the AI to

1243
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:26,460
actually design and engineer a better

1244
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:28,500
version of the Machinery question

1245
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:30,180
because it can study the results of what

1246
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,619
happened with the previous versions that

1247
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:33,839
kind of thing so yes that's very much on

1248
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:36,059
the event stream of the future

1249
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:37,619
I'm saying it's going to be look I'm not

1250
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:38,940
saying this is good or bad I'm just

1251
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:41,099
saying in a practical real world sense

1252
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:42,180
yeah this is probably what's going to

1253
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,099
happen and that's why I keep making this

1254
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:46,920
this statement about Evolution being a

1255
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:49,920
the the Adaptive are the most

1256
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,380
likely to succeed you know evolution is

1257
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:54,900
more tends to favor the most adaptive as

1258
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:57,059
opposable status because the term of

1259
00:56:02,569 --> 00:55:59,880
Fitness changes rather radically over

1260
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:02,579
time it's the constant adaptation to a

1261
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:04,380
new type of environment that really

1262
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,660
makes a difference and if we're heading

1263
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:07,920
towards an environment where the

1264
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:10,440
machines in question sort of do this

1265
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,020
stuff for us including weaponry and

1266
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:15,180
fighting battles and so on we're going

1267
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,920
to have to adapt it because it's it's

1268
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,480
inevitable it's what's coming around the

1269
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:20,160
corner if even if you don't like it then

1270
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:21,300
I don't like it either I'm not saying

1271
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:22,680
this is a wonderful plan I'm just saying

1272
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,420
you have to be realistic in anticipating

1273
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:25,680
what's coming around

1274
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,800
are we depending on um oh and by the way

1275
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:30,480
if you look over to the right you'll see

1276
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:32,819
there's a private chat right there and

1277
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:34,920
you can click on that

1278
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:36,300
um where you and I can communicate back

1279
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:39,300
and forth but here's the thing

1280
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:41,640
um are we

1281
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:43,559
um in a general sense and I just mean

1282
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:47,599
this in an are we dependent on

1283
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:51,540
the engineers and team leaders and

1284
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:55,800
designers behind this race to AI

1285
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,099
um uh it's just around the world we just

1286
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,760
know well for the moment yes

1287
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:03,839
I was just going to submit an argument

1288
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:07,020
for Michael E Spectrum but the first

1289
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:10,500
examples of AI design Charles I didn't

1290
00:57:16,809 --> 00:57:13,140
ask the question oh sorry I didn't ask

1291
00:57:21,049 --> 00:57:16,819
the question oh I'm so sorry

1292
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:21,059
my ai's failing are we dependent on

1293
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,089
yes and no yeah I'm sorry

1294
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:31,619
there's no binary answer for this we

1295
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,420
have to determine what the moral compass

1296
00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:36,240
actually is you may recall that in 2001

1297
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,520
Space Odyssey how the computer killed

1298
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,200
off the other astronauts because it

1299
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,599
perceived that the astronauts were going

1300
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:44,160
to interfere with this ultimate Mission

1301
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,480
which was to go to Jupiter and

1302
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:47,400
encycloped this floating you know device

1303
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:49,319
that they discovered Etc

1304
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:52,140
so in the future how do you determine

1305
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:54,780
what the actual best moral compass might

1306
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,700
be and if you're dealing with somebody

1307
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,319
like Russia or China or just some other

1308
00:58:02,569 --> 00:58:01,200
adversary their version of a moral comes

1309
00:58:04,510 --> 00:58:02,579
may be radically different than anything

1310
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:04,520
that we would consider appropriate here

1311
00:58:09,770 --> 00:58:07,800
this is where the adaptation challenge

1312
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:09,780
really is because you can't really have

1313
00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:13,140
a ubiquitous moral company driving what

1314
00:58:18,049 --> 00:58:15,059
the AI does because AI is not a single

1315
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:18,059
thing it's a ubiquitous fabric of sorts

1316
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:20,520
and it varies depending on who's

1317
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:22,980
employing it a thing to think about

1318
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:23,940
though

1319
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:27,359
if the AIS are already designing things

1320
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,160
and I was going to mention this IEEE

1321
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:31,440
argue about the first integrated circuit

1322
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:33,480
was being designed by AI this just

1323
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,220
happened a few months ago

1324
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,200
um where the human Engineers sort of

1325
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,640
backed when left the AI system actually

1326
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:40,859
designed this chip and it did it worked

1327
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,660
wonderfully it was a really good example

1328
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:44,640
of this process so we're kind of I mean

1329
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,440
chip design is a really complex art form

1330
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:48,240
in itself it's certainly the only

1331
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:50,760
Advanced Engineers teams think about so

1332
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,140
the fact that AI was already being

1333
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:54,599
turned loose to do this that's a pretty

1334
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:57,059
significant indicator of where this

1335
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:58,920
trend is going

1336
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:01,920
it is is there

1337
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:06,799
um is there a way to know

1338
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,420
in a general sense the answer is no I

1339
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,760
get that in a completely binary black

1340
00:59:17,650 --> 00:59:13,680
and white one and zero world the answer

1341
00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:17,660
is no but is there any way to weed out

1342
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:19,980
those you're always going to have a bad

1343
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:22,140
apple and you are going to have a

1344
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,520
corporation or an individual or group

1345
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:28,440
that wants to do bad things with this

1346
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:30,059
technology

1347
00:59:35,569 --> 00:59:33,720
um is there any way to control that

1348
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:35,579
the only thing I can think of that

1349
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:37,260
sounds reasonable at this moment in time

1350
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,660
is the potential for litigation in other

1351
00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:42,000
words if you can show prove that company

1352
00:59:46,190 --> 00:59:44,099
took its version of AI and use it

1353
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:46,200
specifically for committing criminal

1354
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,359
Acts or causing bad things to happen

1355
00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:50,640
some veteran or whatever it might be you

1356
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:53,339
could show a chain of liability based on

1357
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:55,740
their usage of that AI I think that's

1358
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:58,140
the most likely version of this now will

1359
01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:00,059
ever be interpreted into actual laws

1360
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,040
being passed I don't know but the fact

1361
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:04,559
of a legal precedent being said in court

1362
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:06,660
I think that's the most likely outcome

1363
01:00:12,589 --> 01:00:10,079
well okay I've got to take a commercial

1364
01:00:15,230 --> 01:00:12,599
break but we're gonna we're gonna pick

1365
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,240
up right here when we come back our

1366
01:00:20,990 --> 01:00:17,579
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Our Guest is Charles Osman and we are

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today all right our guest tonight is

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Charles Osman and we have uh a lot of uh

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01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,160
issues that I want to get into uh really

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quick oh we've got the echo back

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01:04:48,650 --> 01:04:45,480
oh no

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01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:48,660
I hear it it's slight though I I maybe

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01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:51,359
we can maybe we can survive with it

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01:04:56,289 --> 01:04:54,180
Charles it is this

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01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:02,270
if I uploaded my Consciousness into

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01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:06,180
uh a chipset and it is inside of an

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01:05:13,490 --> 01:05:10,020
android robot but it's me

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01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:13,500
it's me yeah my soul is there well sort

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01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:15,299
of

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01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:20,160
me

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01:05:23,450 --> 01:05:21,780
um ethically and morally is there

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01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:23,460
anything wrong with that

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I can't really say if it's right or

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01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:28,380
wrong I can just say it is because I

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01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:29,760
think that's inevitable at some point

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01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:32,040
now we're nowhere close to that now uh

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01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:34,680
we're pretty I would say that's decades

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01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:37,319
off well that would be quite a challenge

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01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:38,819
but the fact that it can even be

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01:05:43,789 --> 01:05:40,980
considered I think is certainly within

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01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:43,799
range of being looked at more carefully

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01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:46,020
but at some point well we have our

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clones representing Us in multiple ways

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01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:51,599
uh I think for the few that want to do

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01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:53,339
this because it's a Competitive Edge or

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01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:54,720
for whatever reason Recreation or

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01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:56,700
something and notice I don't see this

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01:06:00,349 --> 01:05:58,319
being evenly distributed we have to do

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01:06:02,030 --> 01:06:00,359
when I look at Gibson of course made the

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famous quote about the tech the future

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is already here so it's not distributed

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01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:05,579
evenly so we're kind of there at that

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point where I see this is for the upper

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01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:11,099
class the landed gentry of the future it

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01:06:14,210 --> 01:06:12,480
won't be so much how much stuff that

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01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:14,220
they own but rather how how much access

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01:06:18,829 --> 01:06:16,440
do they have and that might equate into

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01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:18,839
things like having a cloneable whatever

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01:06:23,390 --> 01:06:22,020
it is having Superior DNA and just all

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01:06:27,549 --> 01:06:23,400
the other things that may be this kind

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01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:27,559
of resource begins to become available

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01:06:33,069 --> 01:06:30,180
and I certainly I certainly understand

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01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:33,079
that but it's I would also suggest

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immortality and no disease no sleep no

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01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:40,980
food no nothing uh you are good to go

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01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:43,020
forever technically until the

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electricity runs out and your battery uh

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01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:48,299
drains

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01:06:54,109 --> 01:06:51,539
yeah well away like this for instance

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01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:54,119
not to differ too far from the topic but

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01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:56,760
if one wants to take a look at UFOs and

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01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:58,400
ET being here Etc

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01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,140
one speculation could be that it's not

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01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:03,839
really the real ETS themselves it's

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01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,940
their clones they're being sent here as

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01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,640
like pros like biobots should kind of

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01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:10,079
interact and see what's going on and

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01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:12,119
send back data that kind of thing I

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01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:14,220
think there is a potential evolutionary

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01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:16,200
event stream not the only one but one

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01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,359
potential one or at some point the

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01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,640
organic root organism become ever less

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01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,280
relevant and they're cloned sort of

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01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:25,440
replicas become the new thing that

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01:07:30,049 --> 01:07:27,780
represents their existence on their own

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01:07:34,569 --> 01:07:30,059
world or wherever they happen to be well

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01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:34,579
if we uh if you and I Charles decide to

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01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:40,260
uh fly to uh uh Proxima Centauri those

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01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:42,059
four and a half light years away and you

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01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:45,539
decide and now if we go by conventional

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01:07:50,089 --> 01:07:47,880
means it's going to take us seventy

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01:07:53,329 --> 01:07:50,099
thousand years yeah okay and it's it's

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01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,339
the closest star to us well you and I

1541
01:07:59,089 --> 01:07:56,160
don't live for 70 000 years but we would

1542
01:08:01,789 --> 01:07:59,099
if we were on a chipset and so that's

1543
01:08:05,630 --> 01:08:01,799
how we would explore the stars and so

1544
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:05,640
potentially uh when E.T meets us they're

1545
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:06,900
just gonna meet

1546
01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:10,500
you know an AI an uploaded version of us

1547
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:12,059
they're not going to meet our physical

1548
01:08:17,150 --> 01:08:15,839
meat bodies well I I if I were to take a

1549
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:17,160
different attack on this

1550
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:18,900
your reasoning is

1551
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:20,699
but I would say a more likely scenario

1552
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,500
is that we simply developed or whoever

1553
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:24,540
develops a type of warp drive or some

1554
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:27,600
kind of Wormhole transition process I

1555
01:08:30,650 --> 01:08:28,500
think that's where things are going to

1556
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:30,660
be happening next the idea that space

1557
01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:33,660
time is a frozen medium of which there's

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01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:35,819
only one method of access or travel

1559
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:38,160
through I think that's being shown to be

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01:08:44,110 --> 01:08:42,420
ever less true and Quantum Dynamics in

1561
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:44,120
the cosmos is becoming ever more

1562
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:46,380
measurable or at least as evidence of it

1563
01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:49,380
so you know time and space are liquid

1564
01:08:52,669 --> 01:08:51,060
mediums really they compress they

1565
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:52,679
stretch and coagulate around different

1566
01:08:57,289 --> 01:08:55,080
disturbances the idea of space travel

1567
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,299
itself is more looking like

1568
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:59,520
pitching Gravity Balls and you sort of

1569
01:09:02,510 --> 01:09:01,020
fall towards the gravity well as opposed

1570
01:09:04,490 --> 01:09:02,520
to like a rocket or something propelling

1571
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:04,500
it through space-time right and we've

1572
01:09:08,990 --> 01:09:06,600
now been able to replicate or simulate a

1573
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:09,000
history wormholes here on Earth I mean

1574
01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:10,500
very tiny and it's just very

1575
01:09:15,289 --> 01:09:12,540
experimental but at least we can show

1576
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:15,299
they exist to a certain extent so can

1577
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:17,460
that be scaled up to a much larger sort

1578
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:19,799
of cosmic scale nobody's doing this now

1579
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:22,859
but there at least is the mathematical

1580
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:25,440
and sort of philosophical a few old

1581
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:27,000
models of how this could become possible

1582
01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:29,219
I think given a few decades we might

1583
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:31,560
actually get there and if I had to place

1584
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:33,120
a bet you know if actually a Bitcoin or

1585
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:34,259
something

1586
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,880
um that the ETS are probably using

1587
01:09:40,189 --> 01:09:37,920
something like this rather than having

1588
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:40,199
to embed themselves in some kind of

1589
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:41,940
immortal chip device I mean even that's

1590
01:09:46,669 --> 01:09:44,040
a reasonable suggestion I just think a a

1591
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:46,679
closer suggestion will be utilizing some

1592
01:09:50,150 --> 01:09:48,500
type of Wormhole travel

1593
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:50,160
so

1594
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:50,880
um

1595
01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:53,580
I I like I like the way you think and I

1596
01:09:58,189 --> 01:09:56,760
like where this direction uh I like that

1597
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:58,199
turn that we just took we're going to

1598
01:10:03,050 --> 01:10:00,300
get back to AI in a second

1599
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,060
do you think that we're being visited uh

1600
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,480
by E.T right now with the Department of

1601
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:08,880
Defense and the United States Navy and

1602
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:12,300
the Senate and hearings in Congress and

1603
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:14,460
Senate and Jilla brand just had another

1604
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:17,340
one and we've got these new committees

1605
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:18,719
and things

1606
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:20,820
um and UFOs have never been discussed

1607
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:25,020
like this before in in Washington DC or

1608
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,500
on mass media and and CNN and fox and

1609
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:30,960
everything what the heck is going on is

1610
01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:33,600
ET here well I think they're trying to

1611
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:36,540
placate the masses let's go backwards to

1612
01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:38,520
like say Roswell even before Roswell the

1613
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:41,100
first real UFO sighting in the modern

1614
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,140
era was

1615
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:45,360
um in Washington state I can't remember

1616
01:10:50,209 --> 01:10:47,580
his name now but he was a child Arnold

1617
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:50,219
Kenneth he saw seven discs like floating

1618
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:51,960
over Mount Rainier

1619
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:53,580
and that kind of opened the door it's

1620
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:55,140
like because during World War II there

1621
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,460
are things called Foo Fighters which

1622
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:58,080
actually were discs so like flying

1623
01:11:00,890 --> 01:10:59,760
around people thought it was like Nazi

1624
01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:00,900
Germany or something I don't think it's

1625
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:03,480
bad at all but I think ET was interested

1626
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:05,940
to watch what we were doing in a global

1627
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:09,120
war and since that global war ended with

1628
01:11:13,250 --> 01:11:11,580
the release of nuclear weapons that

1629
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:13,260
definitely got their interest they think

1630
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:14,640
look we've been watching these humanoids

1631
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,860
for a long time we kind of track along

1632
01:11:20,689 --> 01:11:18,719
how they were doing from moment to

1633
01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:20,699
moment but now the across the line of

1634
01:11:24,169 --> 01:11:22,679
using nuclear weapons better half a

1635
01:11:25,610 --> 01:11:24,179
second and third look at this this is

1636
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:25,620
getting a little more scary

1637
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:26,940
in other words they don't want to see

1638
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:29,640
their neighborhood polluted by beings

1639
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:31,080
which are still kind of spiritually

1640
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:33,420
primitive but have dangerous toys to

1641
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:35,340
play with right so of course they're

1642
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:36,780
going to send something down here to

1643
01:11:41,450 --> 01:11:39,540
have a look and perhaps interact now was

1644
01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:41,460
Roswell an actual real thing I think

1645
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:43,020
there's a high probability it was

1646
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:45,060
because there have been lots of other

1647
01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:46,980
sightings and events including National

1648
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,080
beings and so on that have been

1649
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,080
chronicled very detailed uh remember

1650
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:53,760
some forest in England it was a good

1651
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:55,980
example this was like the mid 80s and he

1652
01:11:59,930 --> 01:11:58,260
had other events where he had senior

1653
01:12:02,030 --> 01:11:59,940
officers in the military police people

1654
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:02,040
people of all kinds of backgrounds you

1655
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:04,920
know Executives and so on who had

1656
01:12:10,729 --> 01:12:07,920
nothing to gain At All by submitting

1657
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:10,739
their story or their telling of an event

1658
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:13,739
in fact mostly some professional planets

1659
01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:15,600
being especially who have seen these

1660
01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:16,620
things that are interacted with them

1661
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:19,320
they risk their lives they lose their

1662
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:21,960
livelihood uh you know being tarnished

1663
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,120
if you will by citing something to do

1664
01:12:28,130 --> 01:12:26,400
with UFOs and don't very recent this was

1665
01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:28,140
sort of like a Death Note for one's

1666
01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:29,460
career depending on what your career was

1667
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:31,560
so for many of these folks to actually

1668
01:12:35,390 --> 01:12:33,420
come out and say anything at all is

1669
01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:35,400
pretty interesting especially when you

1670
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:38,699
have uh radar tracks and visual tracking

1671
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,140
on multiple cameras that kind of thing

1672
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,719
uh it's pretty difficult to say this

1673
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,880
never happened now I actually watched

1674
01:12:50,209 --> 01:12:46,560
the Congressional hearings to do with

1675
01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:50,219
the Tic Tac Naval films and so on

1676
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:53,159
to me they were totally circumventing

1677
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,320
the actual stuff that was there they

1678
01:12:59,149 --> 01:12:56,880
showed a very tiny clip of something

1679
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:59,159
flying fire really fast they didn't even

1680
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:01,860
bring up the multiple cameras radar

1681
01:13:05,630 --> 01:13:04,440
tracking Etc the fact that ships at CM

1682
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:05,640
planes in the air attracting the same

1683
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:07,739
device at the same time that the device

1684
01:13:12,770 --> 01:13:10,140
went from suborbital to like sea level

1685
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,780
in a matter of seconds which no known

1686
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:15,120
craft could actually do I mean they

1687
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:16,199
completely skipped off the whole thing

1688
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:17,820
so the only thing I could imagine is

1689
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:21,540
that again this is a way to satisfy the

1690
01:13:25,729 --> 01:13:24,480
a Public's interest in all this but sort

1691
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:25,739
of tone it down a little bit I don't

1692
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,440
think we're any we're near disclosure so

1693
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:30,000
that I mean there's a lot of reasons for

1694
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:32,520
this by the way if we had to admit that

1695
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,860
our skies are being perfectly sort of

1696
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:36,719
perforated by things we can't control

1697
01:13:42,890 --> 01:13:40,080
that's a really big security Gap is over

1698
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,900
now I'm going to guess that Russia and

1699
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,400
China probably also have had these

1700
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:46,080
things uh and they don't want to talk

1701
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:48,179
about this at all either especially if

1702
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:49,739
we've actually managed to back engineer

1703
01:13:54,110 --> 01:13:52,260
or lose capture some pieces of crap or

1704
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:54,120
whatever it might be the last thing we

1705
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:56,040
would ever want to do is discuss this in

1706
01:13:59,649 --> 01:13:57,719
the open world that would be the

1707
01:14:02,410 --> 01:13:59,659
ultimate sort of Ace up the sleeves or

1708
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,420
uh and also of course you have to

1709
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,800
consider that when the Brooklyn report

1710
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:06,780
came out in 1960 the freaking Institute

1711
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:09,120
made posters before that said

1712
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,500
it would be the end of civilization

1713
01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:13,679
every chaos all the religious uh people

1714
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:15,659
of course would go crazy about this we

1715
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:17,340
can't admit that there's ET anywhere

1716
01:14:22,370 --> 01:14:19,560
because that would just cause this huge

1717
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:22,380
sort of irreversible chaos to society

1718
01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:25,440
now at first I was in 1960 in more

1719
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,480
recent times the federal Public's been

1720
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,880
pretty much adapted he's that's my

1721
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:31,679
adaptation again but definitely that

1722
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:33,060
either yeah et's probably out there is

1723
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:35,219
probably pretty common most kids you

1724
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:36,480
know young people today they've seen

1725
01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:38,820
lots of movies and films and comic books

1726
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:41,219
and everything else yeah okay fine like

1727
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,540
ET Atlanta here

1728
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,120
fine big deal like what next you know

1729
01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:46,560
that sort of thing so it's always become

1730
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,780
like a background issue but still but

1731
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:51,600
still around the world there's enough

1732
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:54,300
religious fundamentalism and other sort

1733
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:56,760
of philosophical orientations that would

1734
01:15:02,990 --> 01:14:59,280
still be a pretty harsh reality to try

1735
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:03,000
to grasp this idea and that's part of it

1736
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:05,699
but also if there actually has been

1737
01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:07,500
technology that's been extracted from

1738
01:15:12,530 --> 01:15:09,780
these recovered bits and pieces there's

1739
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:12,540
an enormous legal liability of your

1740
01:15:16,490 --> 01:15:14,940
network patents were issued and you know

1741
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:16,500
profitable businesses were extrapolated

1742
01:15:20,810 --> 01:15:18,900
from this that's a gigantic can of worms

1743
01:15:23,209 --> 01:15:20,820
that nobody wants to open up so there's

1744
01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:23,219
a bunch of reasons why this is going to

1745
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,040
be kept from full disclosure for some

1746
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:27,600
time to come until it absolutely has to

1747
01:15:33,410 --> 01:15:30,960
be but if anything this latest debacle

1748
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:33,420
with the tick tock flights is a kind of

1749
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,340
a trial below they're sort of testing to

1750
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:37,679
see how much the public responds to and

1751
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:39,900
what their response actually is that's

1752
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,600
how I see it

1753
01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:44,219
yeah in

1754
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:48,420
um in an instance like this

1755
01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:51,600
I'm not sure it's you know I'm talking

1756
01:15:57,770 --> 01:15:54,600
about the Tic Tac I'm not sure if there

1757
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:57,780
is a biological entity inside of that it

1758
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:59,219
really wasn't it's probably a it's

1759
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:01,560
probably a Droid yeah sure right which

1760
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:04,199
would be controlled by

1761
01:16:10,130 --> 01:16:07,440
artificial intelligence yeah sure right

1762
01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:10,140
all right yeah do you like the way I

1763
01:16:14,270 --> 01:16:12,060
segued yeah that's fine it's a totally

1764
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:14,280
it's a thing I would think this was an

1765
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:15,600
AI controlled

1766
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,179
device or cloudy devices actually I

1767
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:20,400
think this this is common Stuff This Is

1768
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:22,260
Not Unusual at all in fact I would go so

1769
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:25,020
far as saying on other worlds whether

1770
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,219
it's a humanoid or some other life

1771
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:28,080
formed it becomes the intelligent life

1772
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:30,840
form Etc they go through thousands of

1773
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:34,320
years of sort of slowly evolving they go

1774
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:35,820
from 100 gatherers to like having

1775
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,500
organized societies and the organized

1776
01:16:41,149 --> 01:16:38,880
societies be kind of larger more

1777
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:41,159
organized they develop certain skills

1778
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:43,860
engineering capacity they learn to smell

1779
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,560
metals and other such things but then in

1780
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:48,239
the last sort of bit of their

1781
01:16:52,490 --> 01:16:49,860
evolutionary path along the lines it

1782
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:52,500
suddenly hit the Industrial Age like a

1783
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:54,420
vertical Spike they start developing new

1784
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,100
technologies they have their access to

1785
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,159
science is much greater and it also

1786
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:00,719
symbiotic multiplies itself to a much

1787
01:17:05,810 --> 01:17:03,480
faster accelerated rate of progress

1788
01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:05,820
to the point where they begin to develop

1789
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:08,820
things like nuclear weapons or genetic

1790
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,340
engineering or applied nanotechnology or

1791
01:17:16,729 --> 01:17:13,679
any of the other crucial Marketplace uh

1792
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:16,739
evolutionary sort of event stream to the

1793
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:19,140
point where they either perforate the

1794
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:22,080
next boundary point and successfully

1795
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:23,280
navigate their way through this

1796
01:17:26,450 --> 01:17:24,900
evolutionary series of challenges to

1797
01:17:30,350 --> 01:17:26,460
become a more

1798
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:30,360
uh spiritually layer and mature balanced

1799
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:32,640
way of managing their own planet or they

1800
01:17:35,930 --> 01:17:34,380
succumb to their own shortcomings and

1801
01:17:37,729 --> 01:17:35,940
the plan sort of kills them off and

1802
01:17:39,709 --> 01:17:37,739
that's the end of that or sort of at

1803
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,719
that point now so for those et's that

1804
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:41,280
have actually successfully evolved past

1805
01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:44,640
that threshold yes they of course they

1806
01:17:48,590 --> 01:17:46,739
would be losing the various same stuff

1807
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,600
that we're sort of looking at now as our

1808
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:50,640
potential outcome of this and it makes

1809
01:17:55,610 --> 01:17:51,719
all the sense in the world that they'd

1810
01:17:57,950 --> 01:17:55,620
be using some kind of AI determined uh

1811
01:18:00,610 --> 01:17:57,960
mechanisms to explore our roller

1812
01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:00,620
anywhere else

1813
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:03,480
is there a difference I mean I certainly

1814
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:06,900
probably not not a whole lot with AI but

1815
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:10,620
if it if it gets to the level of you

1816
01:18:14,750 --> 01:18:12,360
know not only passing the touring test

1817
01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:14,760
but the level of I'm going to use a bad

1818
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:17,699
word here if it passes the level of we

1819
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:19,620
don't give a [\h__\h] because we can't tell

1820
01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:23,520
right if it gets to that level then

1821
01:18:27,890 --> 01:18:25,260
what's the difference between something

1822
01:18:29,390 --> 01:18:27,900
that's biological or synthetic it's it's

1823
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:29,400
they're the same thing at that point

1824
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:31,800
aren't they well as I just said a few at

1825
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,940
the beginning of the show after my

1826
01:18:35,930 --> 01:18:34,560
debacle with the computers and all that

1827
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:35,940
one of the very first things I pointed

1828
01:18:41,630 --> 01:18:38,699
out was the separation between organic

1829
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,640
and non-organic synthetic and or

1830
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:43,920
biological Etc becomes ever more

1831
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,620
diffusing at some point irrelevant and

1832
01:18:50,209 --> 01:18:48,000
that is where things are going to be had

1833
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:50,219
even if we step into the transhuman era

1834
01:18:53,630 --> 01:18:51,239
which I think is coming around the

1835
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:53,640
corner then yes this becomes more like

1836
01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:55,320
the acceptable Norm as opposed to the

1837
01:19:00,050 --> 01:18:57,000
Exotic exception

1838
01:19:02,149 --> 01:19:00,060
and will it become more required to

1839
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:02,159
adapt to this ever evolving sort of

1840
01:19:05,090 --> 01:19:03,900
world we're going into probably at least

1841
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:05,100
for some yes

1842
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:07,860
well and and and I I think we're living

1843
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:10,800
there now and and let me and let me

1844
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,540
explain I'm going to do this brief

1845
01:19:17,450 --> 01:19:14,880
you're the guest uh I'm just I'm the

1846
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:17,460
doofus behind the microphone

1847
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,260
um is is this

1848
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:21,120
with

1849
01:19:28,189 --> 01:19:25,080
um versions of AI now incorporated into

1850
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:28,199
search engines into different corporate

1851
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:31,440
applications now the chat Bots that

1852
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:33,900
pop-up need to help you on some website

1853
01:19:41,229 --> 01:19:37,920
and whatever it's like and I can go into

1854
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:41,239
task manager right now on my computer

1855
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:43,739
and I'll do it I'll do it in real time

1856
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:44,719
you ready

1857
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:48,960
I'm gonna go into task manager uh which

1858
01:19:54,910 --> 01:19:52,380
I've got open and it's right here on my

1859
01:19:59,530 --> 01:19:54,920
screen you ready for this

1860
01:20:05,030 --> 01:19:59,540
the number one two

1861
01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:05,040
three four okay out of the top

1862
01:20:09,410 --> 01:20:06,600
eight

1863
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,420
four are artificial intelligence

1864
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:11,520
programs running on my computer that I

1865
01:20:16,130 --> 01:20:12,719
did not install

1866
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:16,140
okay it literally said

1867
01:20:22,729 --> 01:20:19,860
social intelligence AI host

1868
01:20:26,410 --> 01:20:22,739
I I didn't pay for that

1869
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:26,420
and this is um you ready you ready let's

1870
01:20:32,990 --> 01:20:30,120
okay now I've just expanded one of them

1871
01:20:35,810 --> 01:20:33,000
artificial intelligence AI host for the

1872
01:20:40,689 --> 01:20:35,820
Microsoft Windows operating system and

1873
01:20:46,990 --> 01:20:44,149
is a deeper level of this but just when

1874
01:20:51,169 --> 01:20:47,000
new players beyond that so uh believe me

1875
01:20:53,390 --> 01:20:51,179
Intel is making chips Microsoft is

1876
01:20:55,970 --> 01:20:53,400
building ever larger versions of

1877
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,980
software so is Google lots of folks are

1878
01:20:59,870 --> 01:20:57,840
sitting noodling at this territory as we

1879
01:21:02,510 --> 01:20:59,880
speak it's only going to expand not

1880
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:02,520
contract so at the beginning edge of

1881
01:21:05,689 --> 01:21:03,780
this process

1882
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:05,699
but a couple of things I might point out

1883
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:07,980
it's kind of like a way to steer this

1884
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:08,820
idea

1885
01:21:14,090 --> 01:21:11,699
we're looking at a world where jobs

1886
01:21:16,729 --> 01:21:14,100
might begin to replace by and it's a big

1887
01:21:18,649 --> 01:21:16,739
concern the most likely jobs to be

1888
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:18,659
replaced at this moment is going to be

1889
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:20,820
mid-level management White Collar jobs

1890
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:22,980
it's not going to be so much the people

1891
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:24,600
working in a warehouse or people doing

1892
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:26,460
stuff with their hands it's going to be

1893
01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:27,840
the people that are sort of like layered

1894
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:30,360
between say engineering staff or

1895
01:21:34,450 --> 01:21:31,620
marketing stuff whatever it is and the

1896
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:34,460
upper level management and I've been to

1897
01:21:39,229 --> 01:21:37,260
multiple corporate environments where

1898
01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:39,239
you had people who are being paid huge

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01:21:43,729 --> 01:21:41,340
salaries to do nothing more than just

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01:21:45,790 --> 01:21:43,739
select manage their team to have a lot

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01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:45,800
of charts and projections and sort of

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01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:47,580
schmooze around with the upper level

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01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:49,140
management folks and kind of create a

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01:21:53,090 --> 01:21:50,340
career for themselves

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01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,100
many folks myself include have often

1906
01:21:56,330 --> 01:21:54,960
view this as being sort of Superfluous

1907
01:21:58,490 --> 01:21:56,340
and why are we paying these folks so

1908
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,500
much money in the first place to just do

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01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,760
the sort of when they kind of management

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01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:00,719
work

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01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,080
they'll disappear in a heartbeat

1912
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:06,239
but I can actually replace that kind of

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01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,980
process and do it much better and more

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01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:10,320
efficiently

1915
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:12,780
but does anybody care

1916
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:15,480
you know that's back to my I'm going to

1917
01:22:19,149 --> 01:22:17,580
use that bad word again the I don't I

1918
01:22:21,530 --> 01:22:19,159
don't give a [\h__\h] level

1919
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:21,540
in that

1920
01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:24,840
um if AI is assisting in your search

1921
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:28,140
engine if AI is now

1922
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:31,140
um completing your chat conversation

1923
01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:34,860
um on your thing if AI is is completing

1924
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:37,500
these tasks for you if AI is running in

1925
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:41,120
the background and you don't know it

1926
01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:44,280
do you care no it must be probably

1927
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:46,380
launch most people just want to go for

1928
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:47,820
the best Advantage they can do it with

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01:22:52,610 --> 01:22:49,920
the best tools if it happens to be AI

1930
01:22:53,930 --> 01:22:52,620
it's doing it fine I I you know this is

1931
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:53,940
where a lot of people I think have

1932
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:55,980
trouble processing this

1933
01:22:59,930 --> 01:22:57,900
for a lot of older folks this seems

1934
01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,940
really distant and far out in science

1935
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:01,800
fiction or something for younger people

1936
01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:04,380
especially people going to college and

1937
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,360
starting out in life that's early this

1938
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:08,400
is becoming a norm this is like an

1939
01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:10,260
expected resource that they're going to

1940
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:11,940
look at and say okay fine turn you know

1941
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:13,739
give me the best AI no it's because I

1942
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:16,320
have to do x y and z a little side note

1943
01:23:21,169 --> 01:23:18,060
if I made a difference a little bit

1944
01:23:23,149 --> 01:23:21,179
there there's an area called emotional

1945
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:23,159
cognition which is kind of interesting

1946
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,540
because several companies now are

1947
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:25,920
looking at this idea they want to test

1948
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:28,980
how people respond to advertisement or

1949
01:23:31,550 --> 01:23:30,300
they want to test how they respond to

1950
01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:31,560
certain kinds of music or just whatever

1951
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:34,199
it might be but but a lot of these

1952
01:23:37,610 --> 01:23:36,600
companies wants to sell the product for

1953
01:23:40,130 --> 01:23:37,620
insurance

1954
01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:40,140
why because if somebody's driving the

1955
01:23:44,990 --> 01:23:42,600
car and they show bad behavior behind

1956
01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:45,000
the wheel screaming and yelling causing

1957
01:23:49,310 --> 01:23:47,580
you know Road Rage or whatever that

1958
01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:49,320
changes their insurance

1959
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:50,640
cost

1960
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:52,560
and they want to use other behavioral

1961
01:23:57,169 --> 01:23:55,440
cognition mechanisms to determine how

1962
01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:57,179
you're working on your job or how your

1963
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,100
your focus is on your daily test that

1964
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:01,440
sort of thing another example if I could

1965
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:03,060
just blurt it out I was at the rural

1966
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:04,760
internet Center this goes back again

1967
01:24:08,209 --> 01:24:07,140
executive Arts like near Stanford

1968
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:08,219
University

1969
01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:10,500
and I was giving a small presentation

1970
01:24:13,790 --> 01:24:12,120
along with some other folks and at the

1971
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,800
end of my talk as a joke I started said

1972
01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:15,360
well at some point you're going to have

1973
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:17,100
neural implants which will measure

1974
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,380
minute by minute unless your thoughts

1975
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:21,600
are oriented towards the work desk of

1976
01:24:25,550 --> 01:24:23,340
course how many minutes are you

1977
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:25,560
deviating to someone I thought thinking

1978
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,820
about your girlfriend or some social

1979
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:28,560
thing or just whatever it is

1980
01:24:33,649 --> 01:24:30,900
and then you get paid on a minute by

1981
01:24:36,649 --> 01:24:33,659
minute basis determined specifically by

1982
01:24:37,610 --> 01:24:36,659
how the implant registers their thought

1983
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,620
process

1984
01:24:41,689 --> 01:24:39,840
and I I mean it's a joke sort of thing

1985
01:24:43,610 --> 01:24:41,699
but about half the people in the

1986
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:43,620
audience said how much will that cost

1987
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:45,600
when's it available can you give us some

1988
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:48,239
leads for what companies doing this and

1989
01:24:52,430 --> 01:24:49,679
people took it seriously and if they

1990
01:24:54,169 --> 01:24:52,440
really wanted to buy this technology for

1991
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:54,179
their business platform whatever it

1992
01:24:58,850 --> 01:24:57,000
might be it was like over 10 years ago

1993
01:25:01,550 --> 01:24:58,860
and now I see companies trying to use

1994
01:25:03,470 --> 01:25:01,560
emotional cognition engines to determine

1995
01:25:05,450 --> 01:25:03,480
human behavior and response

1996
01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:05,460
characteristics due to various kinds of

1997
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:07,320
stimuli right like driving a car for

1998
01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:09,179
example this is already being done this

1999
01:25:16,630 --> 01:25:12,540
is this is a deliverable platform

2000
01:25:19,570 --> 01:25:16,640
now what is okay so

2001
01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:19,580
if a computer

2002
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:23,900
if no not computer if software

2003
01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:28,560
thinks assumes and feels that they are

2004
01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:31,320
sentient because if that's the case they

2005
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,760
would certainly understand what the

2006
01:25:36,590 --> 01:25:34,560
definition means at that point right

2007
01:25:38,209 --> 01:25:36,600
okay so they would be able to call

2008
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:38,219
themselves sentient I call myself

2009
01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:41,400
sentient right okay so if you're at that

2010
01:25:44,649 --> 01:25:42,540
level

2011
01:25:49,130 --> 01:25:44,659
does that mean

2012
01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:49,140
that software has consciousness

2013
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,380
is it well I am that's a pretty tricky

2014
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:54,000
one I'm not qualified to really answer

2015
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:55,620
that sort of I think a lot of people are

2016
01:25:58,250 --> 01:25:56,580
trying to figure out what Consciousness

2017
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,260
even is I'm not sure anyone has a real

2018
01:26:02,330 --> 01:26:00,719
answer some folks have offered the idea

2019
01:26:04,669 --> 01:26:02,340
and I sort of look at this apparently

2020
01:26:06,350 --> 01:26:04,679
that conference isn't just in our brain

2021
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,360
it's sort of like a field that we

2022
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:08,639
connect to that our brain is more like a

2023
01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:11,280
transceiver for process but it's really

2024
01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:13,560
not the whole entirety of our

2025
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:15,060
Consciousness that we sort of interact

2026
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:17,400
with this larger Realm Of Consciousness

2027
01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:19,500
that our brain is like a central process

2028
01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:20,820
engine form

2029
01:26:25,070 --> 01:26:22,860
that may or may not be true and so

2030
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:25,080
nobody really knows the answer but it

2031
01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:27,420
might be that just levels of complexity

2032
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:30,659
lead up to the for the emergence of

2033
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:34,620
functions as the complex system tries

2034
01:26:38,330 --> 01:26:36,300
every more to become more functional in

2035
01:26:39,770 --> 01:26:38,340
whatever it's doing it develops a kind

2036
01:26:41,169 --> 01:26:39,780
of Consciousness just like sentience

2037
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:41,179
becomes an emerging process

2038
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:43,080
Consciousness probably isn't everything

2039
01:26:47,930 --> 01:26:44,760
it's just probably I'm just guessing but

2040
01:26:50,209 --> 01:26:47,940
that could be the case well okay so what

2041
01:26:52,970 --> 01:26:50,219
is your belief you kind of answered it

2042
01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:52,980
there but I'll ask the question directly

2043
01:26:58,510 --> 01:26:54,260
um

2044
01:27:01,129 --> 01:26:58,520
Consciousness physical or non-physical

2045
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,139
I don't have an answer I'm not sure

2046
01:27:04,129 --> 01:27:02,639
anyone does I think it's a combination

2047
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:04,139
of both now one thing I might throw in

2048
01:27:07,070 --> 01:27:05,280
there just to make things more

2049
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:07,080
complicated there's something called

2050
01:27:11,870 --> 01:27:08,940
Quantum cognition which is a really

2051
01:27:13,310 --> 01:27:11,880
fascinating area and Dean Rayden is the

2052
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:13,320
PhD in physics and some other folks have

2053
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,520
been looking at this for a long time I

2054
01:27:17,689 --> 01:27:16,080
happen to live just a few miles from

2055
01:27:19,370 --> 01:27:17,699
ions The Institute for no matter

2056
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:19,380
sciences and it's kind of interesting

2057
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:20,580
because I've gone there a few times to

2058
01:27:24,050 --> 01:27:21,840
listen to various lectures I even

2059
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:24,060
presented there once and the whole idea

2060
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,219
is is there a scientific way to

2061
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:29,040
determine if we connect to

2062
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,320
forms a quantum entanglement in our

2063
01:27:33,649 --> 01:27:32,880
biological systems and if that's the

2064
01:27:36,370 --> 01:27:33,659
case

2065
01:27:39,770 --> 01:27:36,380
that would open up kind of a Pandora

2066
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:39,780
Pandora's Box to determine what contest

2067
01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:41,940
actually is or how it operates and I

2068
01:27:44,209 --> 01:27:43,020
made this point for a couple of

2069
01:27:46,189 --> 01:27:44,219
different reasons

2070
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,199
um there have been a lot of studies that

2071
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,480
wanted to look at things like could Mass

2072
01:27:51,950 --> 01:27:50,639
Consciousness change a physical thing

2073
01:27:53,450 --> 01:27:51,960
that's the right thing so there's

2074
01:27:54,649 --> 01:27:53,460
something called the gcp or Global

2075
01:27:56,270 --> 01:27:54,659
conscience project and I said for

2076
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:56,280
instance and what they've done is

2077
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,600
they've sprinkled random number

2078
01:28:01,010 --> 01:27:59,340
generators all over the world like lots

2079
01:28:03,229 --> 01:28:01,020
you know so like I saw more of these

2080
01:28:06,169 --> 01:28:03,239
things Randomness is a very fragile

2081
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:06,179
mathematical field it's it's always on

2082
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:08,580
being threatened by potential orders or

2083
01:28:13,129 --> 01:28:11,100
premiums and a noise floor so any

2084
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:13,139
radical change in Randomness in a RNG

2085
01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:15,239
system would indicate something has

2086
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:17,639
affected it so what's interesting is the

2087
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:21,120
largest known example of lots of oranges

2088
01:28:25,010 --> 01:28:22,620
around the world suddenly becoming more

2089
01:28:26,930 --> 01:28:25,020
orderly in their numbering process

2090
01:28:29,090 --> 01:28:26,940
was 9 11.

2091
01:28:32,689 --> 01:28:29,100
the second largest was the tsunami of

2092
01:28:34,010 --> 01:28:32,699
2005. there's a whole series the data is

2093
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:34,020
really quickly actually now what's

2094
01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:37,500
interesting not 911 was it started going

2095
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,960
off the charts about a half hour before

2096
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:42,000
the first plane actually hit that is

2097
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:45,440
correct so something's going on that

2098
01:28:49,790 --> 01:28:48,420
transcends the four-dimensional three

2099
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:49,800
special one temporal Dimension that

2100
01:28:53,450 --> 01:28:51,480
we're sort of used to there's other

2101
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:53,460
dimensions that which sort of parallel

2102
01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:54,239
this

2103
01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:57,000
of which we I think all of us have some

2104
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,880
kind of sensory cognition potential and

2105
01:29:03,649 --> 01:29:01,679
it's only in a rare few it tends to be

2106
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:03,659
more female than male that have this

2107
01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:06,480
sort of expanded or magnified version of

2108
01:29:11,149 --> 01:29:08,820
this is there a genetic marker for this

2109
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:11,159
there could be now what's interesting is

2110
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,920
it used to be thought that quantum

2111
01:29:17,450 --> 01:29:15,840
entanglement could only happen extreme

2112
01:29:19,129 --> 01:29:17,460
cryogenic environments you know liquid

2113
01:29:22,010 --> 01:29:19,139
helium sort of thing with specialized

2114
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:22,020
materials correct not so fast it's not

2115
01:29:25,729 --> 01:29:24,300
even proven time and again that Quantum

2116
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,739
containment can affect occur in living

2117
01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:27,840
systems both plant and animal this goes

2118
01:29:32,689 --> 01:29:30,060
back to the early 2000s in fact as a

2119
01:29:34,669 --> 01:29:32,699
whole Science Now a PhD level science on

2120
01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:34,679
Quantum biology I mean it's a real thing

2121
01:29:40,189 --> 01:29:37,260
yeah so that opens the door once again

2122
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:40,199
for do you have some kind of biophysical

2123
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:42,960
platform in our brain or whatever might

2124
01:29:46,910 --> 01:29:44,580
be but it's kind of quantum recognition

2125
01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:46,920
and if that's the case that makes it

2126
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:49,380
seemingly impossible become well more

2127
01:29:51,709 --> 01:29:50,340
possible

2128
01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:51,719
and that may be part of Consciousness

2129
01:29:56,270 --> 01:29:54,120
you know and then you have somebody like

2130
01:29:58,729 --> 01:29:56,280
Richard Dawkins will come along and say

2131
01:30:00,110 --> 01:29:58,739
dude it's just some crazy form of

2132
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:00,120
psychosis

2133
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,120
right and this is all imaginary

2134
01:30:09,050 --> 01:30:05,820
and and you're always going to fight

2135
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:09,060
because those that feel like they are

2136
01:30:15,169 --> 01:30:12,320
part of some intelligency that they are

2137
01:30:17,450 --> 01:30:15,179
from a group of people that are smarter

2138
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:17,460
than you and I and and everybody else is

2139
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:21,600
just you know uh have a [\h__\h] brain

2140
01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:24,719
mechanism not [\h__\h] as in the word a

2141
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:27,300
brain that works backwards right

2142
01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:31,199
um and and and isn't balanced and that's

2143
01:30:37,129 --> 01:30:34,440
what they will say they don't want to

2144
01:30:39,410 --> 01:30:37,139
admit that Consciousness could exist

2145
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:39,420
outside of the body well they will tell

2146
01:30:44,450 --> 01:30:42,659
you that it is purely physical and it is

2147
01:30:46,910 --> 01:30:44,460
a chemical reaction therefore there's

2148
01:30:50,209 --> 01:30:46,920
nothing to ponder there's nothing to

2149
01:30:53,390 --> 01:30:50,219
trip on when you die you die you know

2150
01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:53,400
and and and it's fascinating to me how

2151
01:30:57,890 --> 01:30:56,219
very smart people can develop that

2152
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:57,900
mindset

2153
01:31:04,490 --> 01:31:01,920
I would argue slightly at least that we

2154
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,500
a don't really all the answers far from

2155
01:31:08,030 --> 01:31:06,480
it and B and now we can show that

2156
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,040
Quantum entangle doesn't affect exist in

2157
01:31:13,250 --> 01:31:10,560
living systems that suggests strongly

2158
01:31:15,169 --> 01:31:13,260
that we can interact with other sort of

2159
01:31:17,570 --> 01:31:15,179
quantum entanglement events or processes

2160
01:31:19,610 --> 01:31:17,580
outside of our physical being that there

2161
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:19,620
really is a provable if you will

2162
01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:22,800
connection pattern that can be shown now

2163
01:31:25,850 --> 01:31:24,120
how much of that plays into the

2164
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,860
consciousness of group Consciousness

2165
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,120
versus individual Consciousness that

2166
01:31:31,729 --> 01:31:29,280
kind of thing that's a huge area to

2167
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:31,739
explore but I wouldn't close the door on

2168
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:34,080
the ideas icons is only a chemical

2169
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:36,000
reaction sitting inside our right or our

2170
01:31:41,090 --> 01:31:38,760
brain I would be much more open to a

2171
01:31:42,890 --> 01:31:41,100
further explanation of the concept now

2172
01:31:44,750 --> 01:31:42,900
sure there's going to be physiological

2173
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:44,760
uh mechanisms that are part of this

2174
01:31:49,729 --> 01:31:47,460
process there's a number of models to

2175
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,739
show this could actually work uh I tend

2176
01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:51,360
to lean towards a photonic mechanism

2177
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:53,360
myself and I can explain that

2178
01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:55,800
but whatever the argument might happen

2179
01:31:59,810 --> 01:31:57,480
to be there's going to be competing

2180
01:32:02,689 --> 01:31:59,820
models for the physiological front end

2181
01:32:04,129 --> 01:32:02,699
of that process but yes there is some

2182
01:32:06,169 --> 01:32:04,139
kind of quantum entertainment mechanism

2183
01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:06,179
that we're far from understanding

2184
01:32:09,050 --> 01:32:07,139
completely

2185
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:09,060
but we can certainly see evidence that

2186
01:32:11,930 --> 01:32:10,560
might be occurring and everything I

2187
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:11,940
might point out if you go back to

2188
01:32:15,890 --> 01:32:14,159
ancient times or just prehistory times

2189
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:15,900
before the Industrial Age

2190
01:32:21,890 --> 01:32:17,880
when everybody lived really close to the

2191
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:21,900
land people were much more connected to

2192
01:32:25,070 --> 01:32:23,040
the surroundings

2193
01:32:26,570 --> 01:32:25,080
the world of nation was much more

2194
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,580
ingrained in their daily experience than

2195
01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:28,560
it is for most people now so they were

2196
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,060
much more sensitive

2197
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,639
to communication with other people with

2198
01:32:36,830 --> 01:32:34,880
animals you know their surroundings

2199
01:32:40,370 --> 01:32:36,840
non-verbally in other words they could

2200
01:32:42,110 --> 01:32:40,380
sort of tell or recognize what a thought

2201
01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:42,120
pattern might be or what intention might

2202
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:44,280
be that kind of thing based on this kind

2203
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:46,440
of quantum cognition and even in today's

2204
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:48,300
world you might notice if you're walking

2205
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:49,500
out just having something all the time

2206
01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:51,120
you're walking down the street or you're

2207
01:32:53,629 --> 01:32:52,440
driving away in a car or something and

2208
01:32:55,490 --> 01:32:53,639
you look at sunlight from a distance

2209
01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:55,500
like two blocks away they turn around

2210
01:32:59,629 --> 01:32:57,540
because they can feel them they're being

2211
01:33:01,729 --> 01:32:59,639
looked at now what's going on with that

2212
01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:01,739
I think it's just there's no physical

2213
01:33:05,390 --> 01:33:03,900
explanation but it does happen it's very

2214
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:05,400
consistent

2215
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:06,900
um the other thing I sort of toss out

2216
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:08,639
there for thought is you've probably

2217
01:33:11,450 --> 01:33:09,900
heard of the double slit experiment

2218
01:33:13,430 --> 01:33:11,460
where you can take coherent life from a

2219
01:33:16,189 --> 01:33:13,440
laser shine it through a pair of slits

2220
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,199
and as long as it's not being looked at

2221
01:33:20,030 --> 01:33:18,480
it acts like a wave but then if you

2222
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:20,040
start to observe it it starts to look at

2223
01:33:22,970 --> 01:33:21,480
particles you know Etc there's a whole

2224
01:33:24,770 --> 01:33:22,980
sort of point of interaction with the

2225
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:24,780
coherent light that's being shiny

2226
01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:26,699
through the slits this is just like one

2227
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:28,920
piece of a larger puzzle so again I

2228
01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:30,719
think we're really far away from having

2229
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:34,020
any kind of determinate defect for this

2230
01:33:38,689 --> 01:33:36,960
is how it works I think we see pieces of

2231
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:38,699
a puzzle but the big puzzle has lots of

2232
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:41,040
missing pieces yeah and you know when

2233
01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:41,880
those

2234
01:33:47,629 --> 01:33:45,060
um intelligent uh wackadus right like

2235
01:33:50,450 --> 01:33:47,639
Richard Dawkins uh you know those guys

2236
01:33:51,709 --> 01:33:50,460
you know like Neil deGrasse Tyson were

2237
01:33:53,450 --> 01:33:51,719
they

2238
01:33:59,050 --> 01:33:53,460
um tried to be the smartest people in

2239
01:34:03,410 --> 01:33:59,060
the room and then they want to say that

2240
01:34:06,370 --> 01:34:03,420
there is no such thing as blah blah blah

2241
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:06,380
right but then they will say

2242
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:09,840
uh uh and and bring up the double slit

2243
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,719
experiment or something similar to that

2244
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:14,639
and say that you can change something

2245
01:34:20,450 --> 01:34:18,480
just by looking at it it can change its

2246
01:34:24,050 --> 01:34:20,460
state it's like man you can't have it

2247
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:27,169
or it isn't but you can't you can't have

2248
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:29,340
it both ways you can't you you just

2249
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,239
can't

2250
01:34:34,370 --> 01:34:32,880
um but but here's here's where it gets a

2251
01:34:38,689 --> 01:34:34,380
little tricky for me okay

2252
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:38,699
as as much as I like to to to complain

2253
01:34:42,110 --> 01:34:40,380
about

2254
01:34:44,570 --> 01:34:42,120
um backwards thinkers Like Richard

2255
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:44,580
Dawkins who doesn't who doesn't have his

2256
01:34:49,729 --> 01:34:47,280
you know brain connected correctly I I

2257
01:34:52,990 --> 01:34:49,739
love bagging on those guys but here's

2258
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:53,000
where they've got kind of got it right

2259
01:34:59,330 --> 01:34:56,400
if Consciousness is

2260
01:35:01,850 --> 01:34:59,340
physical where there's a little piece of

2261
01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:01,860
Consciousness in every particle and you

2262
01:35:07,370 --> 01:35:03,960
amass enough of it together like this

2263
01:35:09,709 --> 01:35:07,380
five pounds of gray goo between our ears

2264
01:35:12,350 --> 01:35:09,719
you amass enough particles together both

2265
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,360
you got enough Consciousness acquired

2266
01:35:18,410 --> 01:35:14,400
that you open up your eyes and you're

2267
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:18,420
now this Consciousness bearing meat suit

2268
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:22,560
all right fine great but then if you

2269
01:35:29,570 --> 01:35:26,960
apply that to a worldwide network of

2270
01:35:32,570 --> 01:35:29,580
interconnected computers and chips

2271
01:35:36,890 --> 01:35:32,580
that's a lot of particles bro right yeah

2272
01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:36,900
that's a lot of that's a lot of maybe

2273
01:35:42,530 --> 01:35:39,960
it could become conscious maybe it's

2274
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:42,540
conscious now maybe it's pretty pissed

2275
01:35:45,470 --> 01:35:43,199
off

2276
01:35:48,110 --> 01:35:45,480
we need to really think about that and

2277
01:35:50,330 --> 01:35:48,120
that's where if you have it both ways I

2278
01:35:51,649 --> 01:35:50,340
get a little bit nervous well Peter

2279
01:35:54,110 --> 01:35:51,659
Russell of course is well known for his

2280
01:35:55,490 --> 01:35:54,120
book the global brain awakens the over a

2281
01:35:57,229 --> 01:35:55,500
whole series of books multiple of rain

2282
01:35:58,729 --> 01:35:57,239
other folks have written about the

2283
01:36:01,070 --> 01:35:58,739
Wolverine Pierre darshan talked about

2284
01:36:02,330 --> 01:36:01,080
this back in 1950s he called the newest

2285
01:36:05,570 --> 01:36:02,340
fear but nonetheless people have seen

2286
01:36:10,450 --> 01:36:08,090
detailed however different variations

2287
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:10,460
have different sort of outcomes

2288
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:13,560
I often suggest that whatever the

2289
01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:16,320
collective AI presence is is going to

2290
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,560
learn from what it sees and if it sees a

2291
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,840
lot of bad behavior or just you know

2292
01:36:25,490 --> 01:36:23,600
sort of competitive

2293
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,500
narcissistic kind of

2294
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:27,920
all games all all

2295
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:30,480
new limitations are off I'm just going

2296
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:32,100
to get what I can get that kind of

2297
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:33,960
behavior amongst the feelings

2298
01:36:38,209 --> 01:36:36,239
is going to respond accordingly we have

2299
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:38,219
to kind of train ourselves

2300
01:36:42,830 --> 01:36:40,920
to show the AI a different maybe better

2301
01:36:45,229 --> 01:36:42,840
way of being collectively as a

2302
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,239
civilization as a collective organism

2303
01:36:48,770 --> 01:36:47,280
that may be the actual evolutionary

2304
01:36:50,990 --> 01:36:48,780
challenge the challenge is not going to

2305
01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:51,000
be the emergence of AI itself I think

2306
01:36:56,030 --> 01:36:53,820
that's a a sort of insignificant part of

2307
01:36:58,250 --> 01:36:56,040
this puzzle the more significant part is

2308
01:37:00,590 --> 01:36:58,260
what is the Ia going to learn from what

2309
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:00,600
it sees and if it's a collective

2310
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:02,880
complexity factor that determines a

2311
01:37:07,129 --> 01:37:05,580
potential assumptions emerging that

2312
01:37:09,950 --> 01:37:07,139
could well a part of it I mean I don't

2313
01:37:11,950 --> 01:37:09,960
have a precise answer but I think that

2314
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:11,960
would be a certainly a reasonable

2315
01:37:17,390 --> 01:37:14,639
trajectory to theorize on

2316
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:17,400
with um with the emergence of social

2317
01:37:24,169 --> 01:37:20,820
media the internet in general right uh

2318
01:37:26,570 --> 01:37:24,179
but if we back up to 1995 and and AOL

2319
01:37:30,110 --> 01:37:26,580
for instance

2320
01:37:32,750 --> 01:37:30,120
um we didn't really know what we were

2321
01:37:35,090 --> 01:37:32,760
doing but it was a Brave New World it

2322
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:35,100
was the Wild Wild West right and let's

2323
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,280
go for it well okay so now we've got a

2324
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:40,560
divided World we've got social media and

2325
01:37:45,950 --> 01:37:43,440
trolls and fighting and divorces

2326
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:45,960
happening and friendships being ruined

2327
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:48,480
and jobs being lost because everybody

2328
01:37:53,390 --> 01:37:50,760
wants to fight and we didn't really

2329
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:53,400
understand what we were creating

2330
01:38:00,649 --> 01:37:56,880
didn't we learn a lesson with that with

2331
01:38:03,709 --> 01:38:00,659
AI in that now we have competitive AIS

2332
01:38:06,649 --> 01:38:03,719
uh not only in our search engines but

2333
01:38:09,370 --> 01:38:06,659
apparently in everything that we

2334
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:09,380
interface with on on the planet now

2335
01:38:17,090 --> 01:38:13,320
without really thinking about how fast

2336
01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:17,100
we were moving yeah well have we got

2337
01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:19,320
that too fast for the learning process

2338
01:38:23,570 --> 01:38:21,780
and we may fail there's no guarantee

2339
01:38:25,490 --> 01:38:23,580
this is going to work out for a benefit

2340
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:25,500
I think another one is it probably has

2341
01:38:30,590 --> 01:38:28,980
but we are who we are here and I'll look

2342
01:38:33,050 --> 01:38:30,600
at China for a second they've got the

2343
01:38:34,850 --> 01:38:33,060
social monitoring system where if you

2344
01:38:37,129 --> 01:38:34,860
behave yourself you'll have a pleasant

2345
01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:37,139
life but the needs to go off the rails

2346
01:38:40,850 --> 01:38:39,300
and behave badly right away you get all

2347
01:38:42,770 --> 01:38:40,860
these scoring systems that are going to

2348
01:38:45,110 --> 01:38:42,780
tell you you can't get a loan you can't

2349
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,120
get education is a major university you

2350
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:46,800
can't even travel all these kinds of

2351
01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:48,719
things starting to come out at you

2352
01:38:52,430 --> 01:38:50,760
because you violated one of the social

2353
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,440
edicts that's been proclaimed to speak

2354
01:38:57,410 --> 01:38:54,960
these laws that were will we see

2355
01:38:59,570 --> 01:38:57,420
something like that here maybe I think

2356
01:39:01,970 --> 01:38:59,580
that we've seen a lot of damage caused

2357
01:39:04,729 --> 01:39:01,980
by young people especially kids even

2358
01:39:06,050 --> 01:39:04,739
teenagers preteens even getting sort of

2359
01:39:08,330 --> 01:39:06,060
sucked into these weird social

2360
01:39:10,669 --> 01:39:08,340
environments where they have all kinds

2361
01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:10,679
of like really exaggerated sense of what

2362
01:39:15,050 --> 01:39:13,260
life's supposed to be you've seen it's

2363
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:15,060
pretty hard what crimes actually in some

2364
01:39:19,070 --> 01:39:17,040
cases you know murders and so on because

2365
01:39:20,510 --> 01:39:19,080
they were stimulated by some interaction

2366
01:39:23,930 --> 01:39:20,520
they found online that would never

2367
01:39:25,550 --> 01:39:23,940
happen at an earlier time so are we able

2368
01:39:28,370 --> 01:39:25,560
to learn from this and kind of

2369
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:28,380
re-engineer who we are socially I don't

2370
01:39:33,050 --> 01:39:31,199
know but certainly back when the eff

2371
01:39:34,790 --> 01:39:33,060
Electronic Frontier Foundation eff

2372
01:39:36,890 --> 01:39:34,800
they're one of the first organizations

2373
01:39:40,490 --> 01:39:36,900
to kind of look at this idea and sort of

2374
01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:40,500
measure its potential uh moral factors

2375
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,360
that were this goes back to like the

2376
01:39:46,729 --> 01:39:44,880
late 90s or 2000s and I think a lot of

2377
01:39:48,530 --> 01:39:46,739
people myself include sort of speculated

2378
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:48,540
on potential outcomes but I think no one

2379
01:39:52,729 --> 01:39:51,060
saw the extent to which it rapidly

2380
01:39:55,250 --> 01:39:52,739
became what it is now certainly the

2381
01:39:57,050 --> 01:39:55,260
acceleration of it is the farvel we had

2382
01:39:59,450 --> 01:39:57,060
anticipated so this is like newly

2383
01:40:01,610 --> 01:39:59,460
discovered territory and there really is

2384
01:40:03,229 --> 01:40:01,620
no specific answer for the outcome what

2385
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:03,239
we can do is sort of observe it as it

2386
01:40:10,129 --> 01:40:04,380
happens

2387
01:40:12,890 --> 01:40:10,139
and is that okay that applies I like

2388
01:40:15,229 --> 01:40:12,900
that methodology when you're trying to

2389
01:40:19,010 --> 01:40:15,239
build the first airplane right you go

2390
01:40:20,990 --> 01:40:19,020
out you crash it a few people die but

2391
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:21,000
you go after you crash in and you build

2392
01:40:27,790 --> 01:40:24,080
it again and you you know

2393
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:27,800
okay and that's all in in the process

2394
01:40:33,169 --> 01:40:31,199
cars you know the first ice skates kind

2395
01:40:35,110 --> 01:40:33,179
of sucked the first skateboards kind of

2396
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:35,120
sucked right they were very dangerous

2397
01:40:40,510 --> 01:40:38,820
but but AI is a different animal

2398
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:40,520
altogether

2399
01:40:46,970 --> 01:40:44,400
and and I I just feel that implementing

2400
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:46,980
it into the public as quickly as they

2401
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,639
did without thinking about the other

2402
01:40:56,270 --> 01:40:52,800
issues with it I think that's getting

2403
01:40:57,950 --> 01:40:56,280
ahead of our skis you don't you think

2404
01:40:59,090 --> 01:40:57,960
this is just part of the process of

2405
01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:59,100
Being Human

2406
01:41:03,649 --> 01:41:01,260
I think it's inevitable we

2407
01:41:05,149 --> 01:41:03,659
might be the best possible outcome but

2408
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:05,159
it's what happened

2409
01:41:09,410 --> 01:41:07,380
and there's no single the idea of like

2410
01:41:11,450 --> 01:41:09,420
filling the plug or something there's no

2411
01:41:13,310 --> 01:41:11,460
single point choke point where you can

2412
01:41:15,229 --> 01:41:13,320
say okay turn it off and it turns off it

2413
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,239
doesn't work with that at all this is a

2414
01:41:19,729 --> 01:41:17,280
distributed process it's everywhere sort

2415
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:19,739
of in a certain kind of way and it's so

2416
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,480
well ingrained in most of our business

2417
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,040
practices and a lot of things that you

2418
01:41:27,169 --> 01:41:25,440
don't see personally but is there

2419
01:41:29,810 --> 01:41:27,179
there's just no way to turn this thing

2420
01:41:33,110 --> 01:41:29,820
off at all so we're kind of forced like

2421
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,120
it or not to adapt accordingly and if we

2422
01:41:37,490 --> 01:41:35,040
perish because of our own bad behaviors

2423
01:41:39,709 --> 01:41:37,500
being reflected back upon us right

2424
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:39,719
um that could be an anticipated outcome

2425
01:41:45,050 --> 01:41:42,239
that just happens because it does

2426
01:41:47,390 --> 01:41:45,060
um we have a window of time to kind of

2427
01:41:49,609 --> 01:41:47,400
change our ways of the word and adapt it

2428
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,619
currently but past that window I don't

2429
01:41:53,810 --> 01:41:50,880
know a decade maybe 15 years something

2430
01:41:56,090 --> 01:41:53,820
like this but beyond that point Our Fate

2431
01:41:58,010 --> 01:41:56,100
may be predetermined because we were not

2432
01:42:00,590 --> 01:41:58,020
able to adapt accordingly and present a

2433
01:42:02,270 --> 01:42:00,600
better way of being collectively so that

2434
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,280
this co-evolutionary symbiases between

2435
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:04,800
the organic and the non-organic the

2436
01:42:10,490 --> 01:42:08,100
artificial and the realismwork uh wasn't

2437
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:10,500
done smoothly enough and with the right

2438
01:42:15,050 --> 01:42:13,260
intent to really make this a a beautiful

2439
01:42:15,950 --> 01:42:15,060
outcome it may turn out to be quite

2440
01:42:17,570 --> 01:42:15,960
different

2441
01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:17,580
but we're at the point now where you

2442
01:42:22,189 --> 01:42:20,040
sort of test as it were which direction

2443
01:42:24,770 --> 01:42:22,199
it might go in

2444
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,780
so what you're suggesting

2445
01:42:30,050 --> 01:42:27,119
you know a hundred years from now not

2446
01:42:32,689 --> 01:42:30,060
that far 100 years from now Father and

2447
01:42:34,010 --> 01:42:32,699
Son sitting on a creek you know at a

2448
01:42:37,310 --> 01:42:34,020
Creek Fishing

2449
01:42:39,649 --> 01:42:37,320
sun says Dad somebody told me that

2450
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:39,659
people used to have a thing called cell

2451
01:42:45,410 --> 01:42:41,840
phones

2452
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:45,420
and dad goes well yeah that's yeah

2453
01:42:51,169 --> 01:42:48,000
somebody created this thing called AI

2454
01:42:53,810 --> 01:42:51,179
and and ruined it for all of us you know

2455
01:42:56,750 --> 01:42:53,820
it's it's right is that what you think

2456
01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:56,760
that we're gonna have to take the slap

2457
01:43:01,970 --> 01:42:59,880
uh if if this goes wrong that there

2458
01:43:04,189 --> 01:43:01,980
isn't a way to slow this down at this

2459
01:43:06,890 --> 01:43:04,199
point well I have another thought to

2460
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,900
talk in the South bowl look at neural

2461
01:43:11,629 --> 01:43:08,639
implants or just say neural interaction

2462
01:43:13,370 --> 01:43:11,639
between us and machine systems now this

2463
01:43:15,290 --> 01:43:13,380
is already being done in a big way I

2464
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:15,300
have a story for you I was in Hawaii

2465
01:43:18,890 --> 01:43:17,460
probably about 10 years ago now we went

2466
01:43:21,169 --> 01:43:18,900
to a Costco we were on the big island

2467
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:21,179
went to a Costco to like get some food

2468
01:43:25,070 --> 01:43:23,280
and some other stuff okay fine so while

2469
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:25,080
I'm there I go to the toy section just

2470
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:27,719
because it was fun and in there there

2471
01:43:32,330 --> 01:43:30,060
was the Jedi training system and what it

2472
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:32,340
was he put a headband on and because of

2473
01:43:37,010 --> 01:43:35,520
your thoughts you could make a ball rise

2474
01:43:38,930 --> 01:43:37,020
or lower instead of a comb there was a

2475
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,940
fan envelope and the fan would either

2476
01:43:43,250 --> 01:43:41,040
increase or decrease depending upon how

2477
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,260
you focused your thoughts this is a toy

2478
01:43:48,169 --> 01:43:45,360
meant for kids and it sold for like 50

2479
01:43:49,550 --> 01:43:48,179
bucks nowadays you have over a dozen

2480
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:49,560
companies who are very aggressively

2481
01:43:53,870 --> 01:43:52,320
selling external sensory systems where

2482
01:43:56,750 --> 01:43:53,880
you can use your thoughts to manipulate

2483
01:43:58,430 --> 01:43:56,760
characters in a game or drive other

2484
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:58,440
physical devices certainly for

2485
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,760
Prosthetics that kind of think it's a

2486
01:44:02,689 --> 01:44:01,679
big deal but now we have a neural link

2487
01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:02,699
and a couple other companies actually

2488
01:44:04,970 --> 01:44:04,020
want to go directly into the brand

2489
01:44:07,970 --> 01:44:04,980
itself

2490
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,980
this may be another potential outcome

2491
01:44:12,410 --> 01:44:09,840
for those that want a Competitive Edge

2492
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,420
or have a special need for it or

2493
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:14,400
certainly in the military world if they

2494
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,260
want to make super soldiers

2495
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:18,239
Etc which is where China is going

2496
01:44:24,169 --> 01:44:21,119
actually this is a big league

2497
01:44:28,129 --> 01:44:24,179
um yeah we're going to see a kind of

2498
01:44:28,970 --> 01:44:28,139
hybrid organism type of development

2499
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,980
process

2500
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,440
which goes Way Beyond what we normally

2501
01:44:36,530 --> 01:44:33,360
think of as like typical human behavior

2502
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:36,540
it may be engineered to have good

2503
01:44:40,010 --> 01:44:38,159
outcome or maybe engineered to have a

2504
01:44:41,570 --> 01:44:40,020
bad outcome but we're going to find out

2505
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:41,580
now one thing I had thought about fight

2506
01:44:44,930 --> 01:44:43,679
away what if you could have drugs and I

2507
01:44:46,010 --> 01:44:44,940
didn't mean to get too far off of this

2508
01:44:48,590 --> 01:44:46,020
but what if you could have a drug

2509
01:44:50,030 --> 01:44:48,600
experience or just turn it on for like a

2510
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:50,040
half an hour or something and then turn

2511
01:44:53,570 --> 01:44:51,600
it off in other words I want to

2512
01:44:55,609 --> 01:44:53,580
experience being high on psilocybers and

2513
01:44:57,470 --> 01:44:55,619
just whatever it is and so instead of

2514
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:57,480
being zonked out for days on end and

2515
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,980
having all kinds of bad side effects

2516
01:45:02,270 --> 01:45:00,719
just having experience for a few minutes

2517
01:45:03,530 --> 01:45:02,280
or a half an hour or something and then

2518
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:03,540
it will even sort of turn it back off

2519
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:04,679
again with no chemistry actually

2520
01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:06,239
involved that might be kind of

2521
01:45:11,629 --> 01:45:08,100
interesting or if you have other kinds

2522
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:11,639
of mental stimulus or diversionary

2523
01:45:15,169 --> 01:45:13,920
things that could help you relax or help

2524
01:45:16,330 --> 01:45:15,179
you have a better mood or just whatever

2525
01:45:18,770 --> 01:45:16,340
it might be

2526
01:45:21,229 --> 01:45:18,780
as a deliverable process I think there

2527
01:45:22,250 --> 01:45:21,239
can be a real genuine good markers for

2528
01:45:23,930 --> 01:45:22,260
that

2529
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,940
um however how it's deployed could be an

2530
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:25,440
open question mark but I could certainly

2531
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:27,360
see the potential for that being coming

2532
01:45:29,870 --> 01:45:28,800
along as kind of a product line at some

2533
01:45:32,090 --> 01:45:29,880
point

2534
01:45:34,430 --> 01:45:32,100
well yeah I think we would all like to

2535
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:34,440
go visit Paris without paying for plane

2536
01:45:38,990 --> 01:45:35,340
tickets

2537
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,000
right you know and that's uh it's it's

2538
01:45:44,930 --> 01:45:42,000
another form of vacation I can I could

2539
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,940
see that and it would affect you

2540
01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:46,800
wouldn't know the difference

2541
01:45:51,649 --> 01:45:48,840
right it's going to affect the same

2542
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:51,659
parts of your brain that the chemicals

2543
01:45:59,330 --> 01:45:55,679
would or the visual stimuli would or

2544
01:46:02,270 --> 01:45:59,340
your hearing Pathways right yeah okay I

2545
01:46:04,850 --> 01:46:02,280
I could see that I could see that but um

2546
01:46:07,729 --> 01:46:04,860
there is another part to this though

2547
01:46:10,189 --> 01:46:07,739
that scares the crap out of me if that

2548
01:46:11,870 --> 01:46:10,199
same access is there then there's going

2549
01:46:14,689 --> 01:46:11,880
to be somebody out there that's going to

2550
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:14,699
want to turn us into zombies or have you

2551
01:46:21,530 --> 01:46:18,960
be the man carrying candidate or or you

2552
01:46:23,090 --> 01:46:21,540
know do something against your will vote

2553
01:46:26,930 --> 01:46:23,100
for somebody that you wouldn't normally

2554
01:46:30,410 --> 01:46:26,940
vote for whatever it may be that that

2555
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:30,420
transmission could go in two ways and

2556
01:46:36,430 --> 01:46:32,639
there's always somebody out there that

2557
01:46:39,410 --> 01:46:36,440
wants to do bad things for money

2558
01:46:40,669 --> 01:46:39,420
it's called neurostan and I can see a

2559
01:46:41,930 --> 01:46:40,679
world where if we have artificial

2560
01:46:44,209 --> 01:46:41,940
telepathy which is kind of what you're

2561
01:46:45,709 --> 01:46:44,219
tapping into where your thoughts no

2562
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:45,719
longer confined just to you but you have

2563
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:47,520
to sort of bi-directional action with

2564
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:49,440
stuff around you people are going to

2565
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:51,840
become more defensive and have like a

2566
01:46:57,709 --> 01:46:55,199
fireball or some kind of like anti-spam

2567
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:57,719
setting or something to prevent unwanted

2568
01:47:01,729 --> 01:47:00,719
intrusions into their mental process via

2569
01:47:03,470 --> 01:47:01,739
this mechanism

2570
01:47:05,689 --> 01:47:03,480
that could totally become part of this

2571
01:47:07,490 --> 01:47:05,699
evolving realm

2572
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:07,500
um so the world of Narrows families I

2573
01:47:11,629 --> 01:47:08,880
see it I think it's going to be really

2574
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,639
big in commercials in advertising

2575
01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:13,920
imagine now if you will you're in the

2576
01:47:17,629 --> 01:47:15,840
supermarket you have your special

2577
01:47:19,310 --> 01:47:17,639
glasses on your augmented reality

2578
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:19,320
glasses you're doing shopping getting

2579
01:47:23,570 --> 01:47:21,480
all kinds of bargain pitches and whatnot

2580
01:47:25,609 --> 01:47:23,580
but your thoughts are also connected to

2581
01:47:26,330 --> 01:47:25,619
some kind of interaction process all of

2582
01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:26,340
a sudden they're getting this big

2583
01:47:30,290 --> 01:47:28,020
blaring ad to buy the latest new

2584
01:47:32,270 --> 01:47:30,300
something I mean that could be pretty

2585
01:47:33,709 --> 01:47:32,280
horrible pretty annoying and yet I'm

2586
01:47:36,169 --> 01:47:33,719
sure companies are going to try to do

2587
01:47:38,450 --> 01:47:36,179
this so will we have a sort of cat and

2588
01:47:41,209 --> 01:47:38,460
mouse between protecting my neural

2589
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:41,219
solventry but having access to the

2590
01:47:44,570 --> 01:47:43,199
resources I want but at the same time

2591
01:47:46,490 --> 01:47:44,580
staying autonomous from things that

2592
01:47:49,370 --> 01:47:46,500
shouldn't be there if will it be neural

2593
01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:49,380
hacking you know Etc I could see the

2594
01:47:54,050 --> 01:47:50,760
same things we see on the internet now

2595
01:47:56,510 --> 01:47:54,060
but shrunk down to reconfigured to our

2596
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:56,520
personal neural so certainly definitely

2597
01:48:02,390 --> 01:47:58,080
seen that

2598
01:48:07,850 --> 01:48:05,689
here's the difficult question

2599
01:48:13,550 --> 01:48:07,860
the

2600
01:48:16,250 --> 01:48:13,560
amount of uh designers intellectuals uh

2601
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:16,260
professors uh computer designers and

2602
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:18,900
corporate heads that have signed a

2603
01:48:24,590 --> 01:48:21,199
warning letter that has been published

2604
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:24,600
uh that we need to stop research right

2605
01:48:29,689 --> 01:48:27,000
now and stop implementing this into the

2606
01:48:34,129 --> 01:48:29,699
public domain until we've got a full

2607
01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:34,139
wrap on what the intentions are and what

2608
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:37,320
the issues may be going down in the

2609
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:40,080
future that that made the headlines for

2610
01:48:45,530 --> 01:48:43,560
about 15 minutes no right exactly not

2611
01:48:48,770 --> 01:48:45,540
true it was about 20 minutes it was

2612
01:48:52,669 --> 01:48:48,780
about 20 25 minutes and I was pretty

2613
01:48:55,490 --> 01:48:52,679
thankful uh to see that come out but now

2614
01:48:58,370 --> 01:48:55,500
largely ignored yeah well of course

2615
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:58,380
because it's it's it's it's I understand

2616
01:49:02,750 --> 01:49:00,960
ethically it sounds nice

2617
01:49:05,390 --> 01:49:02,760
correct answer

2618
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,400
practical sense it has no meaning at all

2619
01:49:08,689 --> 01:49:07,199
it's going to happen anyway it's going

2620
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:08,699
to be pushed by market for this is going

2621
01:49:11,330 --> 01:49:09,960
to be pushed by a desire to have a

2622
01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:11,340
Competitive Edge all that sort of stuff

2623
01:49:15,709 --> 01:49:13,860
that happens in the open market that we

2624
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,719
have now of course this will become part

2625
01:49:19,609 --> 01:49:17,760
of that process they can have all the

2626
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:19,619
kinds of limitations you want you can

2627
01:49:22,910 --> 01:49:20,880
even like I said earlier you can even

2628
01:49:25,370 --> 01:49:22,920
have regulatory protocols with certain

2629
01:49:26,930 --> 01:49:25,380
confinements placed on AI and its uses

2630
01:49:30,129 --> 01:49:26,940
but how are you going to Define that

2631
01:49:33,770 --> 01:49:30,139
Define The legalistically Binding terms

2632
01:49:36,410 --> 01:49:33,780
that decides exactly what type of AI and

2633
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:36,420
what the I might do that violates some

2634
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,920
sort of predetermined protocol along

2635
01:49:41,810 --> 01:49:40,080
those lines that would be I mean it

2636
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,820
sounds nice until you sit down and try

2637
01:49:44,990 --> 01:49:43,679
to work on the details right it's like

2638
01:49:48,770 --> 01:49:45,000
I'm just like trying to hold water and

2639
01:49:50,689 --> 01:49:48,780
efficiently yeah yeah yeah yeah it does

2640
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:50,699
it sounds really good though actually

2641
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,340
yeah well but it's never going to happen

2642
01:49:57,410 --> 01:49:55,440
but here's the thing and I and I don't

2643
01:49:59,330 --> 01:49:57,420
mean I'm not trying to be Cavalier here

2644
01:50:02,930 --> 01:49:59,340
that's right huh but

2645
01:50:08,330 --> 01:50:02,940
um if if we if we think about all of

2646
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:08,340
this and and how this uh how do I want

2647
01:50:11,450 --> 01:50:09,840
to say I want to say this without being

2648
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:11,460
uncool

2649
01:50:17,570 --> 01:50:14,159
um in a way

2650
01:50:19,970 --> 01:50:17,580
in a way of moving forward

2651
01:50:23,450 --> 01:50:19,980
um if if the Implement if the

2652
01:50:27,169 --> 01:50:23,460
implementation is inevitable and there's

2653
01:50:31,490 --> 01:50:27,179
nothing that we can do about it do we

2654
01:50:34,189 --> 01:50:31,500
have a Fail-Safe is there is there an

2655
01:50:38,209 --> 01:50:34,199
off button should there be something

2656
01:50:41,090 --> 01:50:38,219
implemented in all software whether it's

2657
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:41,100
competitive whether it's Google whether

2658
01:50:46,729 --> 01:50:44,520
it's uh Microsoft whether it's DARPA or

2659
01:50:49,609 --> 01:50:46,739
an insurance company it doesn't matter

2660
01:50:52,910 --> 01:50:49,619
yeah that there is Fail-Safe code in

2661
01:50:54,770 --> 01:50:52,920
there where we can go off

2662
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:54,780
well I think the one area what probably

2663
01:51:00,050 --> 01:50:57,600
really would be absolutely critical the

2664
01:51:02,270 --> 01:51:00,060
film war games or Terminator whatever

2665
01:51:03,709 --> 01:51:02,280
where these super computers also linked

2666
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,719
together and decide on their own that's

2667
01:51:07,070 --> 01:51:05,520
time to start letting off move your Pawn

2668
01:51:08,750 --> 01:51:07,080
so you guys may have to counteract the

2669
01:51:10,189 --> 01:51:08,760
human behavior or whatever it is

2670
01:51:11,570 --> 01:51:10,199
in fact there was even a movie called

2671
01:51:13,550 --> 01:51:11,580
The forward project which was shot at

2672
01:51:15,470 --> 01:51:13,560
Lauren's lab actually that was like mid

2673
01:51:17,330 --> 01:51:15,480
1970s but I mean a lot of people have

2674
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:17,340
seen this and they understand so I mean

2675
01:51:22,129 --> 01:51:18,900
at a certain threshold

2676
01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:22,139
do we attach our launch codes and that

2677
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:24,540
kind of thing to an AI platform without

2678
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:27,360
having some sort of override protocol I

2679
01:51:32,689 --> 01:51:29,040
don't mean to me that's where the

2680
01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:32,699
ultimate go Novo decision battery is so

2681
01:51:35,870 --> 01:51:34,500
at least to that extent I think we can

2682
01:51:38,209 --> 01:51:35,880
have some kind of containment mechanism

2683
01:51:40,010 --> 01:51:38,219
but certainly in the larger field of

2684
01:51:42,410 --> 01:51:40,020
like social interaction and certain

2685
01:51:44,270 --> 01:51:42,420
general public interaction with the AI

2686
01:51:47,390 --> 01:51:44,280
platforms at all different types

2687
01:51:49,490 --> 01:51:47,400
I just don't see any kind of

2688
01:51:52,370 --> 01:51:49,500
confinement mechanism that will be

2689
01:51:53,810 --> 01:51:52,380
functional I mean even if we had a log I

2690
01:51:56,750 --> 01:51:53,820
guess AI platforms here in this country

2691
01:51:59,209 --> 01:51:56,760
you just go online to the cloud some

2692
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:59,219
other country that supplies it I I just

2693
01:52:04,609 --> 01:52:00,480
don't see that kind of thing really

2694
01:52:06,530 --> 01:52:04,619
coming to pass no I I need to know that

2695
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:06,540
somewhere somebody can flip you know

2696
01:52:10,850 --> 01:52:08,940
that little that little switch cover

2697
01:52:13,070 --> 01:52:10,860
right and you flip it up and there's a

2698
01:52:16,910 --> 01:52:13,080
button underneath it yeah you know that

2699
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,920
we have that somewhere but but here's uh

2700
01:52:21,229 --> 01:52:18,480
we're going to do a little overtime

2701
01:52:24,109 --> 01:52:21,239
tonight okay

2702
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:24,119
um but here's here's the other thing

2703
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:26,639
and this is this is where again it gets

2704
01:52:30,649 --> 01:52:28,920
a little murky for me

2705
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,659
um and it's this

2706
01:52:35,390 --> 01:52:32,159
so

2707
01:52:38,689 --> 01:52:35,400
I know what a qubit is

2708
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,699
I understand the basics of quantum

2709
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:40,560
computers we're not going to get into

2710
01:52:45,310 --> 01:52:44,400
that I understand the basics of it and I

2711
01:52:51,709 --> 01:52:45,320
understand

2712
01:52:55,550 --> 01:52:51,719
what uh uh designers and Engineers have

2713
01:52:57,410 --> 01:52:55,560
uh try to allow us to understand how

2714
01:53:01,310 --> 01:52:57,420
this process works right

2715
01:53:03,770 --> 01:53:01,320
but the honest truth is

2716
01:53:07,390 --> 01:53:03,780
nobody knows

2717
01:53:11,390 --> 01:53:07,400
that's that's the honest okay nobody

2718
01:53:15,169 --> 01:53:11,400
knows and and so yeah we've got a one

2719
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:15,179
and a zero and we've got another that is

2720
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:17,280
on the other side of the universe in a

2721
01:53:24,350 --> 01:53:21,119
parallel world what and and what did you

2722
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:27,290
us no they don't believe in ghosts they

2723
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:29,340
don't believe in the afterlife they

2724
01:53:33,590 --> 01:53:30,960
don't want to talk about Consciousness

2725
01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:33,600
they don't want to talk about a dead

2726
01:53:38,450 --> 01:53:35,940
aunts and uncles right they don't want

2727
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:38,460
to talk about UFOs they don't want to

2728
01:53:44,270 --> 01:53:41,280
they don't want to ponder anything but

2729
01:53:47,450 --> 01:53:44,280
they will tell you that a quantum

2730
01:53:49,729 --> 01:53:47,460
computer works because if infinite

2731
01:53:52,669 --> 01:53:49,739
parallel worlds going to your left and

2732
01:53:55,070 --> 01:53:52,679
to your right and that Cubit is

2733
01:53:58,910 --> 01:53:55,080
connecting and entangled with another

2734
01:54:02,149 --> 01:53:58,920
particle sharing its state at the speed

2735
01:54:04,729 --> 01:54:02,159
of now right there isn't there's no

2736
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:04,739
speed of light limitations so Einstein

2737
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:07,520
called spooky physics

2738
01:54:12,410 --> 01:54:10,080
you understand my point right you do

2739
01:54:14,450 --> 01:54:12,420
understand my point yeah absolutely okay

2740
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:14,460
so I mean just to kind of give us some

2741
01:54:17,390 --> 01:54:15,360
examples

2742
01:54:19,490 --> 01:54:17,400
going back a few years the whole idea of

2743
01:54:22,129 --> 01:54:19,500
a Quantum Internet or a quantum network

2744
01:54:24,109 --> 01:54:22,139
was being proven to be a doable thing

2745
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,119
there are examples for instance where we

2746
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,880
had a station on the ground a satellite

2747
01:54:31,550 --> 01:54:28,560
overhead or a plane flying by whatever

2748
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,560
it was and we could have a Quantum

2749
01:54:35,390 --> 01:54:33,360
entangled pair of photons

2750
01:54:36,890 --> 01:54:35,400
one Photon rotated then it would rotate

2751
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:36,900
exactly the same way

2752
01:54:41,090 --> 01:54:39,780
with no delay at all no speed of light

2753
01:54:43,250 --> 01:54:41,100
Transit time nothing just

2754
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,260
instantaneously the same way it's like

2755
01:54:47,090 --> 01:54:45,360
two objects with different space but at

2756
01:54:48,649 --> 01:54:47,100
the same time and that's sort of the

2757
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:48,659
essence of quantum entanglement that's

2758
01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:49,920
sort of like the simplified version of

2759
01:54:53,870 --> 01:54:52,020
it and he got to this very day nobody

2760
01:54:56,330 --> 01:54:53,880
can really explain how it works we know

2761
01:54:57,649 --> 01:54:56,340
it does work and Einstein actually

2762
01:54:59,570 --> 01:54:57,659
worked out some really elaborate

2763
01:55:03,229 --> 01:54:59,580
formulas to show mathematically why this

2764
01:55:06,229 --> 01:55:03,239
might work nobody knows nobody

2765
01:55:09,649 --> 01:55:06,239
nobody knows nobody knows

2766
01:55:11,590 --> 01:55:09,659
I love it and it you know and so he and

2767
01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:11,600
here's the trippy thing

2768
01:55:17,090 --> 01:55:14,880
we can talk about warp drives or

2769
01:55:22,370 --> 01:55:17,100
teleportation or

2770
01:55:24,649 --> 01:55:22,380
or uh star Gates or time travel or ET

2771
01:55:28,430 --> 01:55:24,659
and UFO or Mars Attacks we could talk

2772
01:55:31,790 --> 01:55:28,440
about all of that we can we can right

2773
01:55:35,770 --> 01:55:31,800
um uh but none of that is real but

2774
01:55:37,629 --> 01:55:35,780
cubits are you guys are variable

2775
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:37,639
you can't

2776
01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:41,280
and oddly enough Charles they're the

2777
01:55:45,229 --> 01:55:42,900
same thing

2778
01:55:48,430 --> 01:55:45,239
to a certain point yes yes yes and no

2779
01:55:52,970 --> 01:55:50,689
in the last hour here

2780
01:55:54,530 --> 01:55:52,980
right now it's to do with electron spin

2781
01:55:56,689 --> 01:55:54,540
Dynamics in numbers you have a tangled

2782
01:55:58,250 --> 01:55:56,699
electrons one is spinning around on its

2783
01:55:59,930 --> 01:55:58,260
axis the other one's sort of mimicking

2784
01:56:01,609 --> 01:55:59,940
the same behavior we can't query the

2785
01:56:03,470 --> 01:56:01,619
actual electron itself will inquire its

2786
01:56:05,090 --> 01:56:03,480
partner and say what state are you in

2787
01:56:06,890 --> 01:56:05,100
are you a one or a zero or one out of

2788
01:56:08,870 --> 01:56:06,900
zero at the same time that's kind of the

2789
01:56:10,129 --> 01:56:08,880
basis of it however the next thing

2790
01:56:12,530 --> 01:56:10,139
around the corner which I think is a

2791
01:56:15,050 --> 01:56:12,540
much better way to go is photonic nerves

2792
01:56:17,930 --> 01:56:15,060
internal photons instead of containable

2793
01:56:19,609 --> 01:56:17,940
electrons and why do I say that well for

2794
01:56:21,649 --> 01:56:19,619
instance quantum computers now have to

2795
01:56:23,390 --> 01:56:21,659
be prejudically cooled to these big

2796
01:56:25,129 --> 01:56:23,400
bulky devices with lots of very

2797
01:56:27,649 --> 01:56:25,139
complicated Hardware inside to make them

2798
01:56:29,330 --> 01:56:27,659
work it's very iffy I mean it's a big

2799
01:56:31,189 --> 01:56:29,340
deal to get one to actually work

2800
01:56:32,810 --> 01:56:31,199
Photon devices on the other hand are

2801
01:56:34,850 --> 01:56:32,820
totally impervious to any kind of

2802
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:34,860
outside noise they don't need to be

2803
01:56:37,970 --> 01:56:36,480
cooled they can operate at room

2804
01:56:40,010 --> 01:56:37,980
temperature and they could be in a

2805
01:56:40,970 --> 01:56:40,020
smaller package like on your desktop at

2806
01:56:44,030 --> 01:56:40,980
some point

2807
01:56:45,950 --> 01:56:44,040
so imagine now 10 20 years from now

2808
01:56:48,770 --> 01:56:45,960
instead of buying the latest fancy PC

2809
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,780
you buy the latest fancy photonic on a

2810
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:50,639
computer that sits at your home

2811
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:54,000
now if you have a smart AI engine sort

2812
01:56:58,490 --> 01:56:55,440
of interface to the quantum Computing

2813
01:57:01,250 --> 01:56:58,500
life or excuse me guys is that become a

2814
01:57:02,750 --> 01:57:01,260
accessible item for the buying public

2815
01:57:05,090 --> 01:57:02,760
that's where you see our really big

2816
01:57:06,530 --> 01:57:05,100
change in daily life in all kinds of

2817
01:57:08,750 --> 01:57:06,540
ways that you can't even hardly fathom

2818
01:57:10,010 --> 01:57:08,760
right now but the stuff to make that

2819
01:57:12,169 --> 01:57:10,020
possible is sort of hovering in the

2820
01:57:13,490 --> 01:57:12,179
Horizon well this is why I spent I was

2821
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:13,500
trying looking at nanotechnology because

2822
01:57:17,570 --> 01:57:15,960
now technology is the process of

2823
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:17,580
manipulating matter at the atomic or

2824
01:57:21,229 --> 01:57:19,679
molecular scale Precision why is that

2825
01:57:23,330 --> 01:57:21,239
relevant the reason is because now you

2826
01:57:25,129 --> 01:57:23,340
have access to materials and our

2827
01:57:27,169 --> 01:57:25,139
fabrication processes that make these

2828
01:57:28,850 --> 01:57:27,179
kinds of things possible that would

2829
01:57:30,770 --> 01:57:28,860
otherwise not be possible would be very

2830
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:30,780
expensive

2831
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:34,320
yeah but you wouldn't necessarily

2832
01:57:39,050 --> 01:57:36,480
um you would just have to have a really

2833
01:57:42,430 --> 01:57:39,060
fast network connection you would you

2834
01:57:46,970 --> 01:57:42,440
would just merely be accessing

2835
01:57:49,310 --> 01:57:46,980
the quantum computer you no matter how

2836
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:49,320
big or small or whatever or expensive

2837
01:57:54,530 --> 01:57:51,599
the quantum computer is you're only

2838
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:54,540
accessing its processing power

2839
01:58:00,109 --> 01:57:57,599
so yeah well not quite so in the world

2840
01:58:02,330 --> 01:58:00,119
of quantum uh telecommunications we'll

2841
01:58:05,629 --> 01:58:02,340
put that way as you probably know people

2842
01:58:07,970 --> 01:58:05,639
spend huge amounts of money to buy their

2843
01:58:10,850 --> 01:58:07,980
trading computers the platforms they use

2844
01:58:12,770 --> 01:58:10,860
to trade on the stock market closer as

2845
01:58:14,209 --> 01:58:12,780
they can possibly get to the backbone

2846
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,219
which is actually feeding the training

2847
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:16,560
process even a few milliseconds in

2848
01:58:21,890 --> 01:58:19,199
automatic trading makes a big deal so

2849
01:58:23,750 --> 01:58:21,900
where you buy your hookup point on the

2850
01:58:26,649 --> 01:58:23,760
backbone actually translates to big

2851
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:26,659
money however if you went to quantum

2852
01:58:31,669 --> 01:58:28,800
teleportation or Quantum you know

2853
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:31,679
communication process that makes no

2854
01:58:34,609 --> 01:58:32,639
difference you could be halfway around

2855
01:58:36,050 --> 01:58:34,619
the planet and have the exact same

2856
01:58:38,030 --> 01:58:36,060
access that somebody next door might

2857
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:38,040
have there'd be no time delay at all

2858
01:58:42,169 --> 01:58:40,320
become totally Superfluous that would

2859
01:58:43,609 --> 01:58:42,179
radically change the whole idea of stock

2860
01:58:46,010 --> 01:58:43,619
trading and trading in general at these

2861
01:58:46,910 --> 01:58:46,020
open exchanges that in itself is an

2862
01:58:49,790 --> 01:58:46,920
enormous

2863
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:49,800
Financial implication time

2864
01:58:56,990 --> 01:58:54,000
but wouldn't that be a way to look at

2865
01:58:59,810 --> 01:58:57,000
the cost-effective side of this I can

2866
01:59:03,050 --> 01:58:59,820
understand uh the

2867
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:03,060
uh the chip building of qubits and and

2868
01:59:09,709 --> 01:59:05,520
the scaling up and scaling down you know

2869
01:59:13,310 --> 01:59:09,719
there's scaling of both ways uh to get

2870
01:59:16,609 --> 01:59:13,320
these things to process but because they

2871
01:59:18,530 --> 01:59:16,619
process I mean enough to be usable but

2872
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:18,540
they process so fast you don't need to

2873
01:59:23,930 --> 01:59:21,119
chipsets like we have we need today

2874
01:59:26,470 --> 01:59:23,940
right it's it's a different animal well

2875
01:59:28,790 --> 01:59:26,480
yes I know once again

2876
01:59:30,050 --> 01:59:28,800
we do need Hardware to actually hold

2877
01:59:31,790 --> 01:59:30,060
this press I know the hardware may be

2878
01:59:33,709 --> 01:59:31,800
quite different than the hardware we see

2879
01:59:35,570 --> 01:59:33,719
on typical integrated circuits that's if

2880
01:59:37,609 --> 01:59:35,580
you took a typical find a computer now

2881
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:37,619
open it up and actually giant cast

2882
01:59:41,089 --> 01:59:39,360
around and see what's in there you'll

2883
01:59:42,709 --> 01:59:41,099
see chips the chips are a bit different

2884
01:59:44,510 --> 01:59:42,719
but they're chips they're still

2885
01:59:46,669 --> 01:59:44,520
integrated devices with all these sort

2886
01:59:48,229 --> 01:59:46,679
of funnels going into them they're

2887
01:59:50,510 --> 01:59:48,239
actually well that's a long story these

2888
01:59:52,010 --> 01:59:50,520
microwaves to extend with the chips and

2889
01:59:53,330 --> 01:59:52,020
all this kind of stuff but the point is

2890
01:59:55,970 --> 01:59:53,340
there's still a lot of Hardware a lot of

2891
01:59:59,149 --> 01:59:55,980
very small integrated pieces to this

2892
02:00:00,830 --> 01:59:59,159
puzzle you're also a mind reader by the

2893
02:00:03,290 --> 02:00:00,840
way you keep answering my questions

2894
02:00:05,330 --> 02:00:03,300
before I get it's my quantum

2895
02:00:08,450 --> 02:00:05,340
entanglement it is quantum entanglement

2896
02:00:11,689 --> 02:00:08,460
because but that's exactly my point

2897
02:00:14,830 --> 02:00:11,699
if if uh that's why you would almost

2898
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:14,840
need a central

2899
02:00:19,310 --> 02:00:17,760
quantum network you couldn't have a

2900
02:00:22,250 --> 02:00:19,320
quantum computer in every single home

2901
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:22,260
there's no way that the electronic depth

2902
02:00:27,950 --> 02:00:24,480
at that that metal

2903
02:00:31,250 --> 02:00:27,960
right the the process can handle those

2904
02:00:35,330 --> 02:00:31,260
kinds of uh data requests you're still

2905
02:00:38,030 --> 02:00:35,340
limited by the physics of of of a

2906
02:00:40,430 --> 02:00:38,040
chipset of a board of a power supply

2907
02:00:43,609 --> 02:00:40,440
you're limited to all of that including

2908
02:00:46,490 --> 02:00:43,619
the pipelines to share information

2909
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:46,500
well not exactly because in traditional

2910
02:00:50,390 --> 02:00:48,960
chips in traditional Computing you have

2911
02:00:52,490 --> 02:00:50,400
a bunch of transistors and you're trying

2912
02:00:54,589 --> 02:00:52,500
to either pull or push electrons from

2913
02:00:56,270 --> 02:00:54,599
one valence to next you have holes going

2914
02:00:58,370 --> 02:00:56,280
away electron's going that way

2915
02:00:59,990 --> 02:00:58,380
this is standard stuff and no matter how

2916
02:01:01,669 --> 02:01:00,000
fast you drive the clock speed at some

2917
02:01:03,290 --> 02:01:01,679
point it's going to be a sort of a stop

2918
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:03,300
point I mean now that we're using

2919
02:01:08,330 --> 02:01:05,520
gigahertz as a sort of a standard back a

2920
02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:08,340
few years it was like bigger Etc but the

2921
02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:10,320
device is heat up there's a lot of other

2922
02:01:13,550 --> 02:01:11,760
problems with this electrical noise and

2923
02:01:15,530 --> 02:01:13,560
so on so you can only push physical so

2924
02:01:17,390 --> 02:01:15,540
far with that kind of a model

2925
02:01:19,609 --> 02:01:17,400
however it's a completely different

2926
02:01:20,870 --> 02:01:19,619
model I mean very very different if

2927
02:01:23,450 --> 02:01:20,880
instead of trying to push and pull

2928
02:01:25,910 --> 02:01:23,460
electrons through adjoining balances of

2929
02:01:27,770 --> 02:01:25,920
this semiconductor material instead

2930
02:01:29,390 --> 02:01:27,780
you're looking at electron spin as

2931
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:29,400
individual electrons you know rotating

2932
02:01:33,229 --> 02:01:31,679
on their axis that's a completely

2933
02:01:35,270 --> 02:01:33,239
different kind of engineering

2934
02:01:36,709 --> 02:01:35,280
requirement so you're not really hit

2935
02:01:37,970 --> 02:01:36,719
with the kinds of standard limitations

2936
02:01:40,189 --> 02:01:37,980
they would have with traditional

2937
02:01:41,990 --> 02:01:40,199
competing platforms and furthermore if

2938
02:01:44,450 --> 02:01:42,000
you went to photonic devices

2939
02:01:46,910 --> 02:01:44,460
the process of entangling photons is

2940
02:01:48,890 --> 02:01:46,920
much less demanding very tiny amount of

2941
02:01:51,050 --> 02:01:48,900
energy supplier the quantum computers

2942
02:01:53,270 --> 02:01:51,060
now do actually suck a lot of energy to

2943
02:01:55,250 --> 02:01:53,280
make them work the photonic ones almost

2944
02:01:56,990 --> 02:01:55,260
no energy really it's amazing the

2945
02:01:59,030 --> 02:01:57,000
differences and that's kind of why I was

2946
02:02:00,290 --> 02:01:59,040
leaning towards this idea that if it got

2947
02:02:02,689 --> 02:02:00,300
to the point where photonic devices

2948
02:02:04,310 --> 02:02:02,699
became more common the limitation then

2949
02:02:06,770 --> 02:02:04,320
would be how fast can you get the

2950
02:02:08,450 --> 02:02:06,780
information from your desktop QC to out

2951
02:02:09,950 --> 02:02:08,460
there in the world somewhere would it

2952
02:02:11,209 --> 02:02:09,960
make a difference would it matter for a

2953
02:02:13,010 --> 02:02:11,219
lot of applications no it probably

2954
02:02:14,570 --> 02:02:13,020
wouldn't matter at all but for Mission

2955
02:02:16,550 --> 02:02:14,580
critical applications like stock

2956
02:02:19,669 --> 02:02:16,560
trademark for example yes that's where

2957
02:02:21,109 --> 02:02:19,679
you'd probably use a photonic linked

2958
02:02:24,709 --> 02:02:21,119
um you know quantum entanglement

2959
02:02:26,810 --> 02:02:24,719
mechanism so that the information on one

2960
02:02:28,129 --> 02:02:26,820
side of the portal would be exactly the

2961
02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:28,139
same with the same time the other side

2962
02:02:32,089 --> 02:02:29,280
of the portal but if you're doing a

2963
02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:32,099
trade that would be a different kind of

2964
02:02:36,770 --> 02:02:34,500
world but yes that's exactly what would

2965
02:02:39,169 --> 02:02:36,780
happen so I think it's a matter of who

2966
02:02:40,669 --> 02:02:39,179
wants to pay for what and now if you're

2967
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:40,679
in the end if you're in the world of

2968
02:02:44,209 --> 02:02:42,239
training or something else that requires

2969
02:02:46,189 --> 02:02:44,219
real-time processing you could have that

2970
02:02:48,290 --> 02:02:46,199
available but I think for most Ordinary

2971
02:02:51,890 --> 02:02:48,300
People it probably wouldn't be relevant

2972
02:02:55,129 --> 02:02:51,900
or necessary to pay for it now here is

2973
02:02:59,030 --> 02:02:55,139
okay here's uh I need you to answer this

2974
02:03:01,550 --> 02:02:59,040
question okay I'll try okay okay it's so

2975
02:03:05,689 --> 02:03:01,560
there are

2976
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:05,699
some physicists that will say

2977
02:03:11,750 --> 02:03:10,080
uh you can entangle two particles by

2978
02:03:14,450 --> 02:03:11,760
observation

2979
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:14,460
okay that's that's pretty nuts

2980
02:03:21,649 --> 02:03:17,520
and then there are other processes

2981
02:03:23,109 --> 02:03:21,659
involved in a quantum computer and

2982
02:03:28,729 --> 02:03:23,119
qubits

2983
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:28,739
how is the other entangled particle

2984
02:03:33,470 --> 02:03:32,159
to allow the chip to run and process

2985
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:33,480
information

2986
02:03:41,570 --> 02:03:38,400
how does it select its sexy partner

2987
02:03:43,729 --> 02:03:41,580
how is this process done some would

2988
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:43,739
suggest it can this can happen Across

2989
02:03:50,089 --> 02:03:46,080
the Universe some suggest this could

2990
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:50,099
happen in inside of a room but still the

2991
02:03:57,109 --> 02:03:53,760
particle is selected and entangled how

2992
02:03:58,189 --> 02:03:57,119
is it selected well in in the case of

2993
02:04:00,290 --> 02:03:58,199
quantum Computing I'm losing the

2994
02:04:02,330 --> 02:04:00,300
platforms I'm familiar with

2995
02:04:04,669 --> 02:04:02,340
um it's really confined to a specific

2996
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:04,679
area of space-time for a lot of reasons

2997
02:04:08,209 --> 02:04:06,000
but the whole idea is you have one

2998
02:04:09,649 --> 02:04:08,219
electron spinning on its axis you have

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another electron which is mirroring that

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02:04:14,030 --> 02:04:11,340
same activity and you can actually

3001
02:04:16,669 --> 02:04:14,040
monitor that second electron to get

3002
02:04:17,870 --> 02:04:16,679
information on what state is in

3003
02:04:19,490 --> 02:04:17,880
um now whether you want to move

3004
02:04:21,709 --> 02:04:19,500
something Across the Universe Etc that's

3005
02:04:23,689 --> 02:04:21,719
a kind of a different story really and

3006
02:04:25,609 --> 02:04:23,699
this gets back to the world of

3007
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:25,619
spooky physics and what Einstein was

3008
02:04:29,209 --> 02:04:27,360
trying to do with this mathematical

3009
02:04:30,290 --> 02:04:29,219
formulas and so on I don't know if

3010
02:04:32,870 --> 02:04:30,300
anyone's going to be looking at that

3011
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,880
anytime soon but in terms of the

3012
02:04:37,490 --> 02:04:34,800
computer chips that actually do this

3013
02:04:39,169 --> 02:04:37,500
yeah it's a very well defined process at

3014
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:39,179
this point you know you have one

3015
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:41,040
electron which is over here just one

3016
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:42,480
location you have the neighboring

3017
02:04:46,250 --> 02:04:44,400
electron and you're simply acquiring

3018
02:04:48,729 --> 02:04:46,260
that secondary electron to see what it's

3019
02:04:52,250 --> 02:04:48,739
actually doing

3020
02:04:55,129 --> 02:04:52,260
where is this secondary electron

3021
02:04:56,390 --> 02:04:55,139
it's a it's all like on a ship I I wish

3022
02:04:58,729 --> 02:04:56,400
I could show you a picture it's it's

3023
02:05:01,070 --> 02:04:58,739
interesting to look at so there's actual

3024
02:05:03,410 --> 02:05:01,080
chips and array devices we have these

3025
02:05:05,810 --> 02:05:03,420
different electrons are sort of parked

3026
02:05:07,490 --> 02:05:05,820
or stationed doesn't work uh and there's

3027
02:05:09,890 --> 02:05:07,500
like I said there's different fields

3028
02:05:11,450 --> 02:05:09,900
which are used to confine them uh in

3029
02:05:12,770 --> 02:05:11,460
some cases these microwaves that kind of

3030
02:05:13,970 --> 02:05:12,780
stimulate the process and you know

3031
02:05:15,950 --> 02:05:13,980
there's different variations but that's

3032
02:05:18,530 --> 02:05:15,960
the basic idea is you have a chip with

3033
02:05:20,870 --> 02:05:18,540
these sites on the chip and those sites

3034
02:05:23,629 --> 02:05:20,880
determine where the electron would be

3035
02:05:27,290 --> 02:05:23,639
when it's being entailed

3036
02:05:33,470 --> 02:05:27,300
so if you have I just want to understand

3037
02:05:35,450 --> 02:05:33,480
yeah if you have a million let's just

3038
02:05:37,609 --> 02:05:35,460
call it transistors for the audience

3039
02:05:39,770 --> 02:05:37,619
yeah okay you have a million transistors

3040
02:05:42,050 --> 02:05:39,780
that are making decisions so either on

3041
02:05:47,229 --> 02:05:42,060
or off or other right

3042
02:05:52,250 --> 02:05:47,239
that you have a part electron somewhere

3043
02:05:56,209 --> 02:05:52,260
for each one so you have a a million

3044
02:05:58,250 --> 02:05:56,219
parking spots on a chip set right is

3045
02:05:59,930 --> 02:05:58,260
that what you're saying well we haven't

3046
02:06:02,390 --> 02:05:59,940
quite got there I mean right now having

3047
02:06:03,709 --> 02:06:02,400
50 qubits is a lot Federal claim they

3048
02:06:07,450 --> 02:06:03,719
have 70 cubits okay that's really

3049
02:06:13,490 --> 02:06:11,089
so you have 70 parking spots yeah yeah

3050
02:06:15,050 --> 02:06:13,500
pretty much yeah interesting and they

3051
02:06:18,050 --> 02:06:15,060
prefer a certain amount of space they

3052
02:06:19,970 --> 02:06:18,060
require immediately Community from noise

3053
02:06:21,050 --> 02:06:19,980
there's a bunch of other engineering

3054
02:06:24,770 --> 02:06:21,060
requirements that sort of make that

3055
02:06:26,810 --> 02:06:24,780
process doable so you are confined to

3056
02:06:27,830 --> 02:06:26,820
certain laws of Engineers or to make

3057
02:06:30,290 --> 02:06:27,840
this

3058
02:06:31,490 --> 02:06:30,300
practical or realistic I mean maybe in a

3059
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:31,500
laboratory setting they've pushed in

3060
02:06:35,089 --> 02:06:33,360
further but in terms of machines that

3061
02:06:36,830 --> 02:06:35,099
are being produced as a sort of a quasi

3062
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:36,840
prototype that's where they're at

3063
02:06:41,570 --> 02:06:39,599
between 50 and 70 pubis is typical those

3064
02:06:43,490 --> 02:06:41,580
platforms

3065
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:43,500
very interesting what a great

3066
02:06:47,570 --> 02:06:45,360
conversation tonight Charles you have a

3067
02:06:49,250 --> 02:06:47,580
good time oh I had a wonderful time I'm

3068
02:06:50,689 --> 02:06:49,260
so sorry about the computer voice I have

3069
02:06:52,669 --> 02:06:50,699
no idea why it happened I plugged

3070
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:52,679
everything in I just you don't cooperate

3071
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:55,199
you know what you are a gentleman and a

3072
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,320
scholar when you can say it was me when

3073
02:07:02,390 --> 02:06:59,760
you're a computer scientist like

3074
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:02,400
yourself but uh the next time you're on

3075
02:07:06,050 --> 02:07:04,320
uh we'll have everything sussed out I'm

3076
02:07:08,089 --> 02:07:06,060
not worried about that but I look

3077
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:08,099
forward to our next conversation and

3078
02:07:13,970 --> 02:07:11,520
tonight was absolutely amazing sir thank

3079
02:07:17,930 --> 02:07:13,980
you so much we've got you we've got your

3080
02:07:22,129 --> 02:07:17,940
website up everybody uh a couple of uh

3081
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:22,139
my uh uh uh we call them Hall monitors

3082
02:07:28,629 --> 02:07:26,159
around here uh said that uh historian of

3083
02:07:31,370 --> 02:07:28,639
the future uh future X

3084
02:07:34,129 --> 02:07:31,380
yes.com is the place to go and hang out

3085
02:07:37,070 --> 02:07:34,139
so we've got all of that up for you uh

3086
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:37,080
thank you so much behave and be well and

3087
02:07:41,890 --> 02:07:39,360
continue to change the world man thank

3088
02:07:44,209 --> 02:07:41,900
you thank you it's all good take care

3089
02:07:46,070 --> 02:07:44,219
absolutely fantastic conversation

3090
02:07:48,410 --> 02:07:46,080
tonight Charles awesome and I know that

3091
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:48,420
we had a little uh technical snafu at

3092
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:49,920
the beginning of the show but that stuff

3093
02:07:57,790 --> 02:07:54,000
happens I don't get upset I never do and

3094
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:57,800
that was an amazing amazing perfect

3095
02:08:03,169 --> 02:08:01,440
conversation again his website is right

3096
02:08:05,930 --> 02:08:03,179
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02:08:08,030 --> 02:08:05,940
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